Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995

[Schoch]

During WW11 Sheila married a Cyril Edward Francis (1914- 1942), in Glamorgan, Wales in 1941 (2nd 1/4).
Sheila gave birth to Michael John Francis (1942 - 2010), in Jan 1942.  Cyril was killed in action in July 1942 in the desert (regimental number 833526 Royal Artillery).
The issue here is can Cyril be Michael's natural father if he was not in the country.  The only way to prove this is to find where he was posted 9 months prior.  Does anyone have access to military records for that time period.

Thanks


Richard
Michael was my 1/2 brother)

[Milliepede]

What makes you think he wasn't in the country? 

Have you got the birth certificate for Michael? 

Cyril would have been present when he married so really need the date of marriage and date of birth to work things out.  1941 Apr-Jun could produce a baby born in Jan 1942. 

[Schoch]

Thanks for your interest.
I do not "know" for certain the he was not in the country at the time of conception.  However family "rumour" says he was not and that another man (Ted Preston) might be his father.  If Cyril's Army records were to be examined it would give dates of postings and this would dispel the issue once and for all (I hope)

[Ladyhawk]

During WW11 Sheila married a Cyril Edward Francis (1914- 1942), in Glamorgan, Wales in 1941 (2nd 1/4).

Cyril was killed in action in July 1942 in the desert (regimental number 833526 Royal Artillery).

Is this the same person ? His middle name is Benjamin and he has same regimental number

Cyril Benjamin Francis
Regiment Royal Artillery
Death date 15 Jul 1942
Service number 833526
Record set Royal Artillery Other Ranks: Casualty Cards 1939-1947

Don't know if this will be of any help there are two records on Forces War Records you have to create an account not sure if you have to pay to look at the record and what sort of information is given - see the link below

Cyril Benjamin   Francis   833526   Lance Bombardier   1942   Royal Artillery
C B   Francis   833526   (Unpaid) Lance Bombardier           1942   Royal Artillery

https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s37/

[Milliepede]

Is there anyone named as the father on his birth certificate? 

Sorry can't see a birth registration for that name in 1942 

[Talacharn]

FreeBMD says Cyril E Francis married Sheila Gibson
Apr-Jun 1941 . Bridgend . Volume 11a . Page 1833

Only the certificate would give their date.

[Ladyhawk]

Sheila gave birth to Michael John Francis (1942 - 2010), in Jan 1942

Do you have MJF date of birth as the only birth I can see on FreeBMD with
mmn GIBSON was registered Mar 1943 Nthmbld. W.

Cyril Benjamin Francis age 26
Regiment Royal Artillery
Grave reference XXI. D. 18.
Cemetery or Memorial El Alamein War Cemetery
Burial country Egypt
Death 15 Jul 1942
Number 833526
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Rank Lance Bombardier
Subcategory Second World War
Unit 52 Bty., 1 Field Regt.
Additional information Son of David William and Elizabeth Ann Francis, of Pentre, Glamorgan.
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2093965/cyril-benjamin-francis/

edit to add

FRANCIS, CYRIL  BENJAMIN  mmn   RICHARDS 
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 1323

marriage entry Free BMD

Dec 1911    Pontypridd    11a   1164
FRANCIS    David W   
female name on same page
RICHARDS  Elizabeth A
    
Schoch

Who were Cyril Edward Francis' parents?

[Talacharn]

The only Michael J Francis I find is Jul-Sep 1943 in Llanelly mmn Coles

[Dundee]

The only Michael J Francis I find is Jul-Sep 1943 in Llanelly mmn Coles

Ladyhawk has given the only FRANCIS/GIBSON birth reg.

March quarter 1943 

FRANCIS,    Michael J   
Mother's maiden name: GIBSON
Nthmbld. W.
10b   444

Debra