Author Topic: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995  (Read 1930 times)

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:40 GMT (UK) »
On the 1939 Register, the only Sheila E Gibson b. 1922 is 30 Claremont Road Whitley Bay, nothing in Wales

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:41 GMT (UK) »

FreeBMD says Cyril E Francis married Sheila Gibson

Apr-Jun 1941 . Bridgend . Volume 11a . Page 1833

Only the certificate would give their date.

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Do you have their marriage certificate?

If so, what was Cyril's fathers name ?
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ladyhawk.
MJF was born 15 Jan 1943.  That makes it possible that Cyril is his father, but if the marriage was later in that 1942 1/4 then it is  a bit more unlikely.   
Cyril's post date would help confirming this I think.

I only have the marriage record that show the 2nd !/4 1942

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Gibson - Newcastle/Scotland (Roxburgh) Areas
Crisell/Crissell/Chrysel/etc. - Suffolk Area
Schoch - Germany (Öhringen Area)

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:51 GMT (UK) »
On the 1939 Register, the only Sheila E Gibson b. 1922 is 30 Claremont Road Whitley Bay, nothing in Wales

Hi Talacharn,
Yes Shiela lived in Whitley Bay (Claremont St.)  Thanks
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:52 GMT (UK) »
That is where he was registered in Northumberland.

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:55 GMT (UK) »

FreeBMD says Cyril E Francis married Sheila Gibson

Apr-Jun 1941 . Bridgend . Volume 11a . Page 1833

Only the certificate would give their date.


MJF was born 15 Jan 1943.  That makes it possible that Cyril is his father, but if the marriage was later in that 1942 1/4 then it is  a bit more unlikely. 
 
Cyril's post date would help confirming this I think.

I only have the marriage record that show the 2nd !/4 1942

Their marriage was registered 1941 April/May/June Quarter posted by Talacharn and as mentioned you would need the certificate to see the exact date of their marriage
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:57 GMT (UK) »
You would also need the birth certificate for his actual birth date.
Added: And his enlistment to establish the timeline.

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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 04 February 23 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Talacharn,

MJF was my 1/2 brother so I know his birth date (day after mine in January)
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Re: Sheila Elizabeth Francis ( Nee Gibson) 1922 - 1995
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 04 February 23 16:08 GMT (UK) »


During WW11 Sheila married a Cyril Edward Francis (1914- 1942), in Glamorgan, Wales in 1941 (2nd 1/4).

Sheila gave birth to Michael John Francis (1942 - 2010), in Jan 1942. 

Cyril was killed in action in July 1942 in the desert (regimental number 833526 Royal Artillery).


Cyril Benjamin Francis age 26
Regiment Royal Artillery
Grave reference XXI. D. 18.
Cemetery or Memorial El Alamein War Cemetery
Burial country Egypt
Death 15 Jul 1942
Number 833526
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Rank Lance Bombardier
Subcategory Second World War
Unit 52 Bty., 1 Field Regt.
Additional information Son of David William and Elizabeth Ann Francis, of Pentre, Glamorgan.
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2093965/cyril-benjamin-francis/

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FRANCIS, CYRIL  BENJAMIN  mmn   RICHARDS 
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 1323

marriage entry Free BMD

Dec 1911    Pontypridd    11a   1164
FRANCIS    David W   
female name on same page
RICHARDS  Elizabeth A
    
Schoch

Who were Cyril Edward Francis' parents?


Schoch

What records do you have for Cyril showing his middle name Edward? Was it from his marriage certificate? I can only find the above Cyril with middle name Benjamin with the regiment and service number you have given  ???
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