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Political parties in Wales - help with definitions please
« on: Sunday 12 February 23 11:44 GMT (UK) »
Hello from Adelaide, South Australia.

Hoping someone can help me please.

My great-grandfather, Andrew Fuller MILLS, was a Baptist minister and Mayor of Carmarthen 1920/21; 1924 and 1926.

When researching him, there are numerous comments about him being a 'Liberal' and also a 'Radical' in politics. Can someone please help me with these terms?

In Australia, a Liberal is Conservative / right wing and a Radical is, of course, very much left wing.

Is the Liberal party more to the left in Welsh politics?

Thank you very much,

M.

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Re: Political parties in Wales - help with definitions please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 12 February 23 12:51 GMT (UK) »
The Liberal Party at the time you are interested grew out of the Whigs and was regarded as Radical/central.

See :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK)


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Re: Political parties in Wales - help with definitions please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 12 February 23 13:04 GMT (UK) »
I think this extract from the Wikipedia article (mentioned by Gadget) on the British Liberal Party may help to explain:
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The Liberal Party was one of the two major political parties in the United Kingdom, along with the Conservative Party, in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Beginning as an alliance of Whigs, free trade–supporting Peelites and reformist Radicals in the 1850s, by the end of the 19th century it had formed four governments under William Gladstone. Despite being divided over the issue of Irish Home Rule, the party returned to government in 1905 and won a landslide victory in the 1906 general election.
While there was a socialist faction (the Labour Party) in British politics in the 1920s,  I think the distinction here is less about right wing or left wing beliefs (as we understand them today), and more about the kind of liberal politics that your great grandfather may have espoused. Early twentieth century liberals (including the Liberal party itself) were quite disunited about what they stood for. Many were interested in socio-economic reform and welfare issues, (in contrast to the Labour Party which was more focussed on trade union and employment rights, in addition to economic reforms), while others were more concerned about extending the franchise (the women's suffrage movement in particular but also wider political reform such as republicanism), while others again were more focussed on Britain's role in the world: being pro free trade and anti-war etc.
The term radical being applied to your great grandfather suggests he was perhaps more entrenched in his views and would have held strong opinions on subjects such as republicanism, modernism, secular humanism, anti-militarism, civic nationalism, abolition of titles, rationalism, secularism, redistribution of property, and freedom of the press. All of that chimes well with Welsh politics of that time.
So to summarise, he was probably fairly left wing, possibly less concerned about the specific issues around workers' rights, and more in favour of social reform more generally. 

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Re: Political parties in Wales - help with definitions please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 12 February 23 13:45 GMT (UK) »
Have you checked him out here (goes up to 1919)?
https://newspapers.library.wales

"andrew fuller mills" (include the "   " as part of search key) in Search returns 36 hits, mostly in English. The first item "Andrew Fuller Mills" (just click on it) includes a biographical sketch.

NOTE - if you reduce search key to "A Fuller Mills" it returns thousands of hits!!


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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 12 February 23 13:53 GMT (UK) »
https://journals.library.wales

Same pack drill re. searching - returns 4 hits. The second hit is the item on which the biological sketch is based. It includes a photo of the gentleman in question.

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« Reply #5 on: Sunday 12 February 23 15:02 GMT (UK) »
I see he was the Minister at the English Baptist Church, Lammas Street, Carmarthen until he suffered an accident in the Loughor Railway Disaster, 1905, that affected his health. He resigned August 1907 but intended to reappear whenever wanted.
The Church featured some time ago in a Welsh TV programme that emphasised how beautiful it was inside. It's directly opposite the Boar's Head hotel in Lammas Street where my wife and I lunched frequently when visiting Carmarthen. Sadly, the gates were always locked and I have yet to see inside. Saw the outside many, many times!
https://mapcarta.com/W294267449

Thanks for the post.

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Re: Political parties in Wales - help with definitions please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 February 23 09:59 GMT (UK) »
Thank you all so much for your replies, they are very helpful.

The political suggestions definitely make sense from what I understand of the Reverend. I'm lucky to have so much information around him still available, and people like yourselves to help me find it.

hanes teulu, thank you for the comments about the church at Carmarthen. I'd love to see it for myself one day.