Can anyone estimate a date for my friend's relative - London early 20th Century

[cliffkinch]

Hi Rootschatters

Hope you can help. Im not looking for a tidy up but just a rough date for this picture of my friend David's grandfather - apologies I dont have his name but they lived in North London all their lives

It is a studio shot but the image itself is no longer in its original studio slip so there are no clues there Im afraid!

Thanks in advance!

[Gadget]

The collar and tie suggest 1900-1905 but might be a few years later.

[Treetotal]

The collar and tie suggest 1900-1905 but might be a few years later.

I would agree, I have a photo of my Grandfather with a similar collar and tie dated around 1902
Carol

[cliffkinch]

Thanks Gadget and Carol - I will pass this on to him

[jim1]

The start date is 1890's as this is when this ensemble became popular for men.
The soft oval vignette style of photo is also 1890's.

[Gadget]

Just looked at another book after your post, Jim. I see that very high collars started in 1890 and reached 3 inches by 1899 and high shirt collars to 1905.

[cliffkinch]

Thanks for the update Jim and Gadget. Im seeing my friend next week and he is keen to prise the picture out of it's home-made frame to see if there are any clues on the back

Glad he is doing it and not me, that is for sure. The chap in the photo was a carpenter and made the frame himself, the back is held on with a lot of panel pins and the mount isnt mountcard, but a thin wood like balsa

[Treetotal]

This has been restored so some of the detail has been lost.
Carol

[cliffkinch]

Hi Carol - yes that is correct. The original was water damaged

Thanks
Cliff