Birmingham born in Manchester or Hambleton ?

[trish1120]

I wonder if anyone related has a childs birth cert?

I have an inkling one or both of them may have been married before.

[amondg]

Did I read there was a free weekend for My Heritage this coming weekend?

[BumbleB]

Oops, I think some of us have gone wrong somewhere 

1851 census - HO107/2320 folio 231, page 20

Thomas Robertson - 28 - born East Indies
Ellen - 28 - born Manchester
Sarah - 4 - born London
Thomas - 1 - born Stamford

1861 census - RG9/3382 folio 21, page 37

Thomas Robertson - 41 - born Middlesex
Ellen - 32 - born Manchester
Sarah - 15 - born Leeds
Ellen - 9 - born Leeds
Selena - 6 m - born Leeds

So the 1837 marriage is not the one we are looking for (that was Thomas and Sarah).  We should be looking for Thomas and ELLEN.

 

[PommieG]

Does she name her Father as Thomas on her M/C?

Trish

No marriage found for Thomas Roberson/ Ellen Birmingham.

[PommieG]

Oops, I think some of us have gone wrong somewhere 

1851 census - HO107/2320 folio 231, page 20

Thomas Robertson - 28 - born East Indies
Ellen - 28 - born Manchester
Sarah - 4 - born London
Thomas - 1 - born Stamford

1861 census - RG9/3382 folio 21, page 37

Thomas Robertson - 41 - born Middlesex
Ellen - 32 - born Manchester
Sarah - 15 - born Leeds
Ellen - 9 - born Leeds
Selena - 6 m - born Leeds

So the 1837 marriage is not the one we are looking for (that was Thomas and Sarah).  We should be looking for Thomas and ELLEN.

No you are not wrong Thomas Robertson gave is birth as ' at sea' 'East India' ' Middlesex. etc.

[PommieG]

Sarah 1847 appears to be under Robertson, but no mmn.

I have Sarah's birth cert  19th Feb 1847 St Giles, Middlesex.  No father's name or occupation. Mother Ellen Robertson. No maiden name. Informant, Superintendent of the workhouse. Baptism 1st Mar 1847 Parents are Thomas and Ellen.

[trish1120]

You have done everything you could PommieG.

Yes I thought there was something unusual with that birth reg on GRO, so thanks for the info.

[Talacharn]

The 1851 census in Leeds that was mentioned earlier of Thomas Robertson, has a Sarah Parker listed as his mother and a Widow. William Parker b.1841 is a Half-brother. There are also visitors, a Hart family with the Head born in Africa.

St Bartholomew Parish Register Wednesbury . Staffordshire . 23
Marriage: 21 Jun 1847
Groom: Thomas Robertson . 24 . Bachelor . Brush Maker . Wednesbury
Bride: Sarah Hart . 19 . Spinster . Wednesbury
Groom Father: John Robertson . Cabinet Maker
Bride Father: James Hart . Locksmith
Witnesses John Stokes . Harriet Stokes

[PommieG]

     Ellen Birmingham has been a 'brickwall' for many years. Every so often I try to find something new. Born between 1823 and 1829 is all I have. possibly born in Manchester. Mother of 5 children to Thomas Robertson,some of them not registered The last child Harriet Robertson was born in a caravan at Limehouse, London in 1864. Baptised but not registered. Ellen died 1870 in Stepney, London. I have tried to find if her parents came from Ireland, the name being common over there but the main immigration from Ireland took place about 1840. Thomas and Martha Birmingham is the best find so far but without documentation they are just speculation.
       Thomas Robertson is another 'brickwall'. Despite his claims to foreign birth I suspect he was born in Middlesex. I also suspect that he is the same Thomas in 1841 census in Clerkenwell House of Corrections. Having nearly been transported to Australia he led an itinerant life. Not actually a gypsie, just travelled and worked where he could find it.