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Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« on: Saturday 18 February 23 19:43 GMT (UK) »
An Ann Sayers was buried at Chelmsford St Mary in 1812. I’d be grateful if anyone with access to the register image could let me know whether it contains any more information than I can see in the transcript, ie maybe an age or “wife of”. 

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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 19 February 23 06:15 GMT (UK) »

Complete record: SAYERS Ann - Adult - Buried 12 April 1812

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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 19 February 23 06:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. At least I know now that this burial is a possibility.

Dave  :)
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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 19 February 23 09:42 GMT (UK) »
Is this Ann, Wife of John?
The couple baptising children Chelmsford 1797-1809?
If she has her last child 1809 a 1812 burial is possible.

Was John was buried 16 Aug 1853 age 85, abode King Street.
(1768)
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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 19 February 23 10:11 GMT (UK) »
Chelmsford Overseers Accounts, July 1814
Sayers include
Jno + 4 Ch (5 persons), suggesting that Jno was widowed?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSL4-1RL

From a lucky dip
Chelmsford parish chest material, 1520-1863
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/617778

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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 February 23 11:37 GMT (UK) »
Possible?
2 July 1792, Chelmsford
John Sayer + Ann Tabor (Ann of Barling, says FreeReg)

The couple baptising children Chelmsford 1797-1809?

Sayers baptisms
William, 7 April 1797   
Samuel, 12 March 1800
+ same day
James, born 19 Dec 1798
Eliza, 24 Oct 1804
Mary, 23 July 1809 (Baddow Lane Independent)
      
Perhaps they were a bit slow getting their children baptized :-\
There may be more?

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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 19 February 23 11:46 GMT (UK) »
They may have been slow as on Census William is born c 1792-1796 (if the right William)
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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 19 February 23 12:30 GMT (UK) »
Chelmsford Overseers Accounts, July 1814
Sayers include
Jno + 4 Ch (5 persons), suggesting that Jno was widowed?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-YSL4-1RL

From a lucky dip
Chelmsford parish chest material, 1520-1863
https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/617778

Thanks for these. I think to some extent it confuses things though, because the same John (?) with with wife Ann certainly had a son Charles and daughter Ann (no baptism for either) and a son John too (?).

Dave  :)
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Re: Burial of Ann Sayers, Chelmsford 1812
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 19 February 23 12:48 GMT (UK) »
Is this Ann, Wife of John?
The couple baptising children Chelmsford 1797-1809?
If she has her last child 1809 a 1812 burial is possible.

Was John was buried 16 Aug 1853 age 85, abode King Street.
(1768)

I don’t know whether there was just one couple John and Ann Sayers having children in Chelmsford at this time. In 1841 John Sayers, shoemaker (“65”) was in Chelmsford with son Charles, who died in 1843 and was described as his “eldest” son. In 1851 John N Sayers was in London with daughter Ann. He was a bootmaker aged 83, so fits with the John who died in Chelmsford in 1853. He was living in King Street and the informant was a neighbour of a younger John Sayers, a shoemaker, also living in King Street. (There are no baptisms for Charles, Ann or John.)

The younger John Sayers who was living near John N Sayers was certainly the brother of William (but was it the William who was baptised in 1797?). William, born about 1792-1794, married in 1815 and a witness was Ann Sayers (the same Ann who was the daughter of John N Sayers?).

William Sayers had children baptised Charles and Eliza and his brother had children baptised Mary and Ann, maybe significant or not.

Dave  ???
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