Ellen Davies

[valerie1]

I’m looking for the death of my great aunt Ellen Davies born 30/4/1898 in Abergele
Parents Daniel and Emma
I don’t think she ever married or so I'm told
I have ignored any deaths that show actual day and month or state married or widow
I can find a 1939 entry for an Ellen Davies in Abergele it states she was born 4/4/ 1899 so I’m guess this could be her
There is a death for ED 1959 but when I looked the age it states she was 79 this would not work as she would have been 60
In 1921 there is ED working in Manchester in a laundry the age fits and her place of birth but I think she moved back to Abergele 
I know in later life she was with her sister Gwen who lived In Gronant but Gwen is buried in Colwyn
I don’t really know how to move forward,  she would have come from humble beginning so wills are out of the question
Any guidance would be appreciated
Thank you

[CaroleW]

Where did you get her actual birthdate from?  Is it confirmed from her birth cert?

Death registrations prior to 1969 do not give a full birthdate & the age at death is not always reliable as it depends on the informants knowledge of the deceased.

I cannot understand why you think the birthdate of 4.4.1899 could be her.  It's not that unusual for the year to be "out" but you invariably find the day is correct.  If you look at freebmd there are 2 possible birth matches in the June qtr 1899 for that entry.

In 1911 - your Ellen is shown as b 1899 which is correct.  Born 30 April 1898 so still only 12yrs old on 2nd April when the 1911 was taken.

The 1911 has 2 ED's b Abergele.  Yours & another aged 13 so born before 2nd April. 

The 1921 was taken in June so your ED would have been 23 - but so may the other ED

[valerie1]

Hello CaroleW
Thanks for the reply
Her DOB is from a birth certificate
I guess I was clutching at straws re 4/4/1899
The 1921 census  in Manchester states 22 years and 7 months so I guess it’s not her either
So I’m no further forward lol the Kat sighting is in 1911 officially
I know sh3 used to be with her sister a lot in the 30s but that’s family chat and no  evidence
The 1911 census she is with her parents, Daniel and Emma, but has been transcribed as Eden, and it says that she is 12 years old
I’m stuck
Regards Val

[Cas (stallc)]

1921 free index, only person in household

Ellen Davies born 1899, Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales living Abergele Rural, registration district St Asaph, Denbighshire.

Has this one been mentioned? The one you stated was in Manchester in 1921

Cas

[valerie1]

Hi Cas
I have missed this where did you find it
I’m thinking the one in Manchester is wrong
 Regards Val

[Cas (stallc)]

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1921-census
free index, have not viewed full record

Cas

[valerie1]

Cas  I must be missing something sorry
I can see ED  birth year 1896 which is not here
Then the next one is1899 when I look at it she was born in Abergele but all the people  are working at a Manchester
Laundry
I wish I could post the image
But I can’t see this Abergele rural one

[valerie1]

Cas
Although it says Abergele rural
When you open it says birthplace
Occupation and employment states Manchester corporation sanatorium
It also states she is 22 years old and 7 months
It’s also interesting that 8 out of 23 people come from Abergele
Maybe there’s a link
I will do some digging

[Cas (stallc)]

There is only one result for Ellen Davies born 1898 +/- 2yrs living Abergele born Abergele living alone, or icon only states her. As said not seen full record.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/results?datasetname=1921+census+of+england+%26+wales&sid=103&firstname=ellen&firstname_variants=true&lastname=davies&lastname_variants=true&yearofbirth=1899&yearofbirth_offset=2&keywordsplace=abergele&whereborntext=abergele&keywordsplace_proximity=5

Cas