Cross family - Neston Cheshire

[birdboot]

I am researching the Cross family:  James Cross born about 1794 and wife Mary and their children.  I have details of most (possibly all) their children but I have one query, more curiosity than anything:

I have found marriages of four of their children (Ellen, Alice, Martha and George), which all took place at St Nicholas at Liverpool.  At first, I thought I must have got the wrong family, but I am fairly sure now that they are all children of James and Mary.

Can anyone explain why the marriages were in Liverpool rather than at Neston?

[garstonite]

Yes many marriages from the Wirral were at St Nicholas as it was a far larger church for a larger congregation - and also MANY MANY RELATIVES LIVED IN LIVERPOOL due to there being more work there .
was James a farmer ?
for example
KEYCODE   NESTC04401041.00053
PADVER   nestC1041.0
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8171109
FORENAME   ELLEN
SEX   F
FATHER_FORENAME   JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   FARMER
RESIDENCE   NESH
.................
if this is one of yours - NESH - is their abode - which is Ness Holt - not Neston - baptised in Neston Parish but lived in Ness Holt
.............if it is one of yours - let me know and I will see how many more are living in Ness Holt
.......................
13 years later living in Little Neston where my family lived at the same time - the Oakes family
...................
KEYCODE   NESTC04800580.10165
PADVER   nestC0580.1
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8300108
FORENAME   JANE
SEX   F
FATHER_FORENAME   JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   LABOURER
RESIDENCE   NESL
 

[garstonite]

just to explain - where it says DATED - put a 1 in front of the numbers - and for Ellen you get
18171109 = 1817 11( november) - 09 = 9th November 1817 ....
......................
still in Little Neston in 1834
KEYCODE   NESTC04900581.00218
PADVER   nestC0581.0
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8340615
FORENAME   MARY
SEX   F
FATHER_FORENAME   JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   LABR
RESIDENCE   NESL
...........................................
did you know George had a twin ?

KEYCODE   NESTC05000582.10034
PADVER   nestC0582.1
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8370101
FORENAME   GEORGE
SEX   M
FATHER_FORENAME   JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   COLLIER
RESIDENCE   NESL
MULTIPLE_TWINS   X2
........................
KEYCODE   NESTC05000582.10035
PADVER   nestC0582.1
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8370101
FORENAME   JAMES
SEX   M
FATHER_FORENAME   JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   COLLIER
RESIDENCE   NESL
DATE_OF_BIRTH   8310112
MULTIPLE_TWINS   X2
........................................
still in Little Neston in 1839
KEYCODE   NESTC05000582.10397
PADVER   nestC0582.1
PARISH_CODE   NEST
TAGGED   0
DATED   8391124
FORENAME   JANE
SEX   F
FATHER_FORENAME   *JAMES
MOTHER_FORENAME   MARY
SURNAME   CROSS
OCCUPATION   LABOURER
RESIDENCE   NESL
added
James and Mary had a JANE BAPTISED 1830 WHO SADLY MUST HAVE DIED - AS THEY HAVE THE OTHER JANE 1839

[garstonite]

Why can't I find Alice and Martha    were they born much earlier - or much later

[birdboot]

Thanks for that information.  Regarding George and twin James, I am not sure about that.  The baptism record shows they were baptised 10 days apart - Goerge on 1st january and James on 10th.  There is something written under James name and it looks like a date.  I wondered if it was a belated baptism for some reason (there was another james baptised in1832). This is the FS link (hope it works)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6277-HK6?i=453&cc=1469935

These are the baptisms I have found:Ellen 1817, Martha 1819, William 1822, Mary 1824, Alice 1826, Alice 1828, Jane 1830, James 1832, Mary 1835, James 1837, George 1837, Jane 1840, Ann 1844.

[Ray T]

St. Nicholas, also known as the “Sailors Church”; was there a sea-going connection with the family? I too have Wirral ancestors who were married there.