Frasers in South Africa

[CaroleW]

Are you taking your info from the family tree on Ancestry?  From the info given above it would appear that info is incorrect which casts doubt on the rest of the info in that tree which is as follows:

Born Stirling 24.8.1865
Parents Simon & Anne (nee McDonald)
Died 1.8.1916 SA

Another tree has him b 9.12.1864 & also dying 1.8.1916 SA

SEE BELOW RE HIS DEATH CERT

[CaroleW]

Something strange - his death entry definitely shows his widow as Lily Elizabeth Powell Fraser b Gardner

[Neale1961]

Something strange - his death entry definitely shows his widow as Lily Elizabeth Powell Fraser b Gardner

I agree, things look odd. I think some assumptions have been made, and perhaps he never married Lily. There is an obvious reason, if Lily was married to someone else. Or George Henry Wallace and William Grant Fraser are the same person.

His death certificate records William as a carpenter, he is also recorded as a carpenter on the birth record of his daughter in 1904. So occupation was not a miner, as posted.


On a public Ancestry tree there is a photo of William Grant Fraser looking approx. age mid to late 20s, taken by J N Paton 294 Shield Road, Glasgow. This photographer worked at that address from 1884-1902.
The photo has the same mount as others taken by this photographer in the late 1880s or early 1890s.
It is possible he left Scotland later than Maude Sutherland has assumed.

ADDED: Perhaps not all the children listed on his death / probate were William's biological offspring. There is a bit of a gap between the first 2 boys.

[Ladyhawk]

There’s this 1918 death notice
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01s5c/
William Fraser age 21 (1897) birth Scotch died 9 Oct 1918   Germany
Father William Grant Fraser deceased
mother Lily Elizabeth Powell Fraser
Siblings James 18, Lilian 12, Jessie 10, Annie 9, Duncan 6

Edit to add just looked at the other link posted by Neale1961 and the above was posted there

[Forfarian]

On a public Ancestry tree there is a photo of William Grant Fraser looking approx. age mid to late 20s, taken by J N Paton 294 Shield Road, Glasgow. This photographer worked at that address from 1884-1902.

Maybe this was one of the other William Grant Frasers and someone has just assumed it's Maude's one?

[Forfarian]

On WGF's death record his children are listed as Donald, major; William, born 15 Aug 1897; James, b 28 Mar 1901; Lilian, b 12 Feb 1904; Jessie, b 6 Nov 1908; Annie, b 1 May 1910; and Duncan, b 10 Jan 1913.

On William F junior's death record his brothers and sisters are Unnamed, 18 (must be James); Lilian,15;  Jessie, 10;  Annie, 9 and Duncan, 6.

No mention of Donald.

[Neale1961]

On a public Ancestry tree there is a photo of William Grant Fraser looking approx. age mid to late 20s, taken by J N Paton 294 Shield Road, Glasgow. This photographer worked at that address from 1884-1902.

Maybe this was one of the other William Grant Frasers and someone has just assumed it's Maude's one?

No, I don’t believe so. It is definitely the same man who also appears with wife and young family in a photo taken in South Africa, when the youngest girl Annie was aged about 1 year. 1911?

[Neale1961]

On William F junior's death record his brothers and sisters are Unnamed, 18 (must be James); Lilian,15;  Jessie, 10;  Annie, 9 and Duncan, 6.

No mention of Donald.

Donald had died in 1916, before William. Both young lives lost in WW1.

[Forfarian]

Are you taking your info from the family tree on Ancestry?  From the info given above it would appear that info is incorrect which casts doubt on the rest of the info in that tree which is as follows:

Born Stirling 24.8.1865
Parents Simon & Anne (nee McDonald)
Died 1.8.1916 SA

In which case he was 50 when he died. Not 52.

But that particular William Fraser was not born in or anywhere near Stirling. He was born in the parish of Duthil, Inverness-shire. If his place of birth is so spectacularly wrong on the tree, you cannot trust any of the rest of the information on it.