Looking for information regarding Elizabeth Holliday born around 1809.

[PaulJ56]

Hi,
Looking for information regarding an Elizabeth Holliday, spinster, who married a widower, William Bethwaite of Dalston on 28 Sept 1850 aged 40, at Cockermouth Registry Office. Her father is named on the marriage certificate as Thomas Holliday.
1851 and 1861 censuses show her birthplace as Holm Cultram, 1871 to 1891 say Abbey Holm(e).
!851 census following the marriage shows William's children from an earlier marriage and a son to Elizabeth called Thomas aged 6.

[maddys52]

deleted - totally wrong, sorry

[maddys52]

Looking at Elizabeth's son Thomas - the only Thomas HOLLIDAY (or similar) I can see birth registered at Wigton around 1840 is Thomas Brough HOLLIDAY mmn BROUGH, however he appears in Holme St Cuthbert in 1861 with his family, so not Elizabeth's son. There are a few births with no mmn, but not in Wigan Registration District.

will keep looking ...

Modified to add:
This is probably him:
Thomas HOLLIDAY Sep qtr 1844 Wigton, no mmn

Baptised 26 Feb 1845 at Wigton, mother Betty HOLLIDAY

[maddys52]

I wonder if this is Elizabeth in 1841 - at Aspatria, Abbey Holme (both born in County)

Ann HOLLIDAY    80  (ind)
Elizabeth              35

HO107/160/2/8 pg9

[maddys52]

I notice some family trees on Ancestry have her baptism as 25 Aug 1805 (born 24 July 1805) at Holme Cultram, parents Wilkinson HOLLIDAY and Isabella GRAHAM. Can't see how this is right if her father was "Thomas" on her marriage. Also, she would be getting a little bit old to still be having children in 1859 (Dinah Jane).

[PaulJ56]

Thanks Maddy.
The only other bit of information we have is a baptism of a Betty Holliday, daughter of Thomas Holliday and Sarah Scott. As yet still to find further information hence the request.

Detail Source
Name:   Betty Holliday
Gender:   Female
Baptism Date:   10 Mar 1811
Baptism Place:   Arthuret, Cumberland, England
Father:   
Thomas Holliday
Mother:   
Sarah Scott
FHL Film Number:   1471997

As for her son Thomas we have a record for him being born on the Wigton Workhouse on 20th Feb 1845 but I can't remember where that record came from. His baptism one says 26th Feb 1845, mother Betty Holliday. We have him with her in the 1851, 1861 and 1871 censuses. The idea of the workhouse sounds right.

Cheers
Paul

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Baptism for Thomas s of Betty Holliday at Wigton 26 Feb 1845

Ciderdrinker

[maddys52]

Whilst the baptism of Elizabeth HOLLIDAY in Arthuret is around the right time, it is quite some way from Holme Cultram.    It seems like there were a few Thomas HOLLIDAYs around Holme Cultram, but none that I can see baptised a child Elizabeth. Does the marriage in 1850 have an occupation for her father? And who were the witnesses - possible family members?

[trish1120]

St Mary, Holm Cultram

Marriages;

21 Dec 1805
Thomas HOLIDAY/Mally SIMM
Bachelor/Spinster age 22/22

29 Dec 1808
Thomas HOLIDAY/Jane REED
Widower/Spinster  age 24/20 (Jane a minor)




Bapt same Church;
WILLIAM Holiday 22 Oct 1806, born 12 Oct,  to Thomas/Mary
Father a Yeoman, abode Blackdyke
Mother Simm
Father's surname suffixed jun.; Mother lately deceased; Mother's surname is before marriage




The only childs bapt I can find to Thomas/Jane is Chambers Reed HOLLIDAY 13 Jan 1823
Father a InnKeeper

So if the Marriage above is to Jane REED 1808 and the bapt 1823 is theirs there must be more children 1808-1823?   

Just posting as may be related depending what the occp of Thomas was on the 1850 M/C