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I have hit a brick wall
« on: Wednesday 15 March 23 20:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi there.  Would anyone like to help me find what happened to David Henry Williams & his twin brother Thomas Edward Williams please? They were born on 15 Feb 1854 in Liverpool.  They were with their parents & siblings in 1861.  In 1871 David was with the family but Thomas was a patient in the Southern Hospital at the Liverpool Workhouse. Their occupations were Riggers.  I haven't been able to locate them after 1871.  Many thanks in advance - I know many of you like a puzzle   :)

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Re: I have hit a brick wall
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Who were their parents? A Tree on Ancestry has David marrying in 1872.  Marriage cert shows him just as David - occ book keeper  father was John occ gardener

I’m not convinced about the accuracy of the tree Rigger to book keeper??
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« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Births

WILLIAMS, DAVID  HENRY     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1854  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 114
   
WILLIAMS, THOMAS  EDWARD     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1854  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 114

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added, both baptised 12.3.1854, parents John & Ann

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Re: I have hit a brick wall
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 21:46 GMT (UK) »

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Re: I have hit a brick wall
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: johnhood on Wednesday 15 March 23 21:46 GMT (UK)
I personally think David never changed careers. Believe he first married Jane Elizabeth Scott 1.4.1876

The marriage was in 1872 and that David was a book keeper.  By 1881 Jane was a widow.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-G9HS

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« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 22:32 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all. Their parents were John and Ann. John was a waiter at Moorfields in Liverpool then later became a porter. He was born in Mold, Flintshire. Ann was born Jones. I have come across david Williams marriage to Rosina however the 1939 DOB is not right. The twins brothers moved to Cefn y Bedd near Wrexham by 1881 and were miners.

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 22:55 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Squirrelly on Wednesday 15 March 23 22:32 GMT (UK)
The twins brothers moved to Cefn y Bedd near Wrexham by 1881 and were miners.

Quote from: Squirrelly on Wednesday 15 March 23 20:15 GMT (UK)
I haven't been able to locate them after 1871. 

Which is it?

I can't see them in 1881, can you post a census reference?

Debra  :)

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Re: I have hit a brick wall
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 March 23 23:44 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Dundee on Wednesday 15 March 23 22:55 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Squirrelly on Wednesday 15 March 23 22:32 GMT (UK)
The twins brothers moved to Cefn y Bedd near Wrexham by 1881 and were miners.

Quote from: Squirrelly on Wednesday 15 March 23 20:15 GMT (UK)
I haven't been able to locate them after 1871. 

Which is it?

I can't see them in 1881, can you post a census reference?

Debra  :)

1871 census
Piece:   3795
Folio:   135
Page number:   31
John Williams 42   Head Mold Flintshire corn Porter
Ann Williams 43   Wife
Alfred Williams   20   Son Liverpool
David Williams 11   Son
William Williams 13   Son
Sarah A Williams 11   Daughter
Elizabeth Williams 9   Daughter
Martha J Williams 4   Daughter
Janes Williams 2 Daughter

Did their brothers Alfred & William move to Wales?
1881
Piece:   3566
Folio:   75
Page number:   2
 Address:   Cefn Y Bedd
Alfred Williams   29   Head Liverpool
Elizabeth Williams 26   Wife
Thomas Ed. Williams 5   Son
Margret Ann Williams 3   Daughter
Alfred Williams 1   Son
Alice Williams Daughter
William est. Williams 25   Brother Liverpool

Alfred George Williams age 22
Marriage 20 Jul 1874    Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Father:   John Williams, Porter
Spouse:   Elizabeth Ann Morgan

William Williams age 24
Marriage 5 Sep 1881   Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
Father:    John Williams corn Porter
Spouse:   Agnes Gittins

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Re: I have hit a brick wall
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 March 23 06:43 GMT (UK) »
The twins BROTHERS Alfred George Williams and William Ernest Williams were living in Cefn y Bedd in 1881. Yes, that’s the correct census you mention.
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