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Offline Ladyhawk

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Re: will there be any evidence of the place of birth on army records.
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 26 March 23 17:08 BST (UK) »
another mention

Blackpool Times 18 December 1918

John Stewart Sugden brought before the magistrates for being in arrears under a maintenance order obtained by his wife. Whilst Sugden was in custody the other woman sent him a letter (LIBY)

Before the Court on Monday he promised to pay a portion of the amount owing and the remainder by instalments, he had work to go to Westinghouse Works T(h)(r)afford.……….. Prisoner was sent down for two months
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Re: will there be any evidence of the place of birth on army records.
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 26 March 23 22:21 BST (UK) »
birth reg
Mary Stuart Sugden sep qtr 1920 Nottingham mmn Sugden

There are trees on Anc* and on FamilySearch that have this Mary Stuart SUGDEN (aka Valerie), born 28 July 1920, as the daughter of Clara Rosetta SUGDEN who was born 1900 Norwich. (ie Mary is granddaughter of John Stuart SUGDEN)
Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)

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Re: will there be any evidence of the place of birth on army records.
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 26 March 23 22:44 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat  :)

There is a published family tree, with photo, which has her parents as John Stuart Sugden and Mary Hands.
There is also a marriage mentioned in 1945 to Frederick Bruce Risdon.

I can’t see a parent marriage or the birth but is that marriage correct? Do you have her fathers name from the marriage?

This was my reply in response to the post at the beginning.
It now looks, as has been suggested, that the two daughters, Laura Jean and Sylvia Elizabeth are daughters of John Sugden and Mary Elizabeth Hand.

Newspaper snippets place Sylvia in Macclesfield when she was a teenager in 1938,

There are other Sugden births, which are likely to be the children of Clara.
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Re: will there be any evidence of the place of birth on army records.
« Reply #21 on: Monday 27 March 23 00:36 BST (UK) »
            From ancestry tree
Some background to Mary Elizabeth Hand (alias Mary Whitfield; alias Mary Calderwood)
Her mother was Elizabeth CALDERWOOD born in Dublin in 1862. The Calderwood family can be found in Newcastle upon Tyne from the 1871 census onwards.

Birth registration:
COLDERWOOD, MARY  ELIZABETH     -  no mothers maiden name   
GRO Reference: 1888  S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 210

Elizabeth CALDERWOOD married Francis HAND / HIND on 17 Nov 1888 at St. John, Annitsford, Catholic Chapel, Northumberland

1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSX6-XT2


Francis HAND (born 1857 South Shields) died 10 May 1898 in a mining accident. (** see below)
-   Burial 12 May 1898 Our Lady and St. Wilfred, Blyth, Northumberland.

Elizabeth HAND nee Calderwood remarried in October 1900 Newcastle upon Tyne to John WHITFIELD.

1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSM1-J4P

1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMK-TW7

No marriage to John Stuart Sugden, as he was already married. After he died in 1929, Mary may have married - you would need to look into that possibility.
I have not found her on the 1939 register yet - various names she could have used. ???

Mary Elizabeth Hands possible death in 1963 in Maidenhead, Berkshire under the name Mary E SUGDEN.?

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**Death of Francis Hand    "Blyth News" 13th May 1898.
FATAL ACCIDENT AT CROFTON MILL PIT.  Was anyone to Blame?  The victim was a man called Frank Hand of Cowpen Quay. There had been a fall of coal and stone and this had caught Hand about the head and shoulders, killing him almost instantly. The deceased who leaves a widow and four children had only been employed a short while at the mill pit. William Lazenby, miner, living at 17 Coburg St. Blyth said the deceased was his brother in law, and was 39 years of age and a miner living at 98 Hambledon St, Cowpen Quay. He was employed at the pit as a stoneman. John Richardson a putter lad said he was working with Hand packing stones. At about ten past midnight the deceased was packing a pillar close to the 'face' when the fall occured. Richardson saw Hand on his hands and knees unable to speak but he lived about 5 minutes after the accident. His head was seriously injured at the back and witnesses thought his neck was dislocated. A witness said as far as he could see there had been a stone overhanging the face of coal and it had fallen away onto Hand who apparently had been stooping. It was all stone that was on the deceased. The overhanging stone in his opinion should have been taken down; the stone was about 7ft long, 17ins broad and 16ins thick. A chargeman said he had just examined the place Hand was situated and thought it to be safe. The manager of the colliery said the stonemen had no right to take 'the ramble' down, this should have been done by the hewers. (There were also discussions that the hewers had not been doing their job of clearing away such 'ramble') Eventually the jury found that the fatality was down to accident and natural causes and that there was no blame attached to anyone.

Milligan - Jardine – Glencross – Dinwoodie - Brown: (Dumfriesshire & Kirkcudbrightshire)
Clark – Faulds – Cuthbertson – Bryson – Wilson: (Ayrshire & Renfrewshire)
Neale – Cater – Kinder - Harrison: (Warwickshire & Queensland)
Roberts - Spry: (Cornwall, Middlesex & Queensland)
Munster: (Schleswig-Holstein & Queensland) and Plate: (Braunschweig, Neubruck & Queensland & New York)