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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #9 on: Friday 31 March 23 07:11 BST (UK) »
The Pringle's also seemed to me to follow the Scottish naming pattern with their children. 

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #10 on: Friday 31 March 23 07:39 BST (UK) »
There is another Ann Pringle in Amble on the 1841 Census, but presumably, she married John Shotton in 1846, so could not have been the "Ann Pringle" witness to the 1849 death.

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #11 on: Friday 31 March 23 07:45 BST (UK) »
The Pringle's also seemed to me to follow the Scottish naming pattern with their children.

so.
John Pringle 30 born in county Ag Lab
Ann 30  born in county
Thos 7 all children born in county
John 7
George 5
William 3
Margaret  1
Mary 1

Implies John's father was either  Thomas or John.

does the age 88 death cert you have actually state she is a widow of James Pringle?

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #12 on: Friday 31 March 23 07:49 BST (UK) »
Just going back to your original question

If she was "60" in 1841 she could have been 64, or even more. so by 1849  66 or 68  would be reasonable and a common mis transcription of 66 or 68 could be 88.
That said - the image for the burial is on FindMyPast and Mary Pringle of Amble is clearly 88. 


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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #13 on: Friday 31 March 23 08:07 BST (UK) »
You say your Ann on the 1841 census with husband John and children has the maiden name Wanless, which is the mmn (on the GRO index) of the youngest daughter Mary age 1 on the 1841. I would expect Ann's mother's married name to be Wanless unless she had a second marriage to a Pringle.Or am I getting myself in a muddle.
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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #14 on: Friday 31 March 23 08:32 BST (UK) »
I presume this is them in 1851?
John Pringle   43
Ann Pringle   43
George Pringle   15
William Pringle   13
James Pringle   9
Robert Pringle   5
Adam Pringle   4
Margaret A Pringle 4
Luke Pringle   1

PRINGLE, LUKE mmn   WANLESS 
GRO Reference: 1850  M Quarter in ALNWICK UNION  Volume 25  Page 242

If I have this correct George Pringle married my Great-Grand Aunt Dorothy PURDY 1860 :)
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #15 on: Friday 31 March 23 09:16 BST (UK) »
Do you have a bapt for Ann Wanless?

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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #16 on: Friday 31 March 23 10:11 BST (UK) »
So does GRO also sometimes scan the originals rather than someone copying out the details when you order?

When the death was registered the local registrar entered it in the register. He also had a 'copy' register, destined to be sent to the GRO at the end of the quarter,  into which the entry would be made.
That would explain the handwriting being the same.

If you have certificates (rather than a pdf) then the GRO cert would say it was
"Certified to be a true copy of an entry in the certified copy of register of Deaths in the Registration District of (District Name) given at the General Register Office, under the Seal of the said Office, [followed by the date it was issued]"

The local register office cert would have a similar citation but  say it was a true copy of an entry in the register in their possession. (i.e. the original register which was held by the District).

Death registrations, in particular, are often slightly 'out' for a true age, the information is given to the best knowledge of the informant.

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Re: GRO question re Mary Pringle
« Reply #17 on: Friday 31 March 23 10:36 BST (UK) »
The known children of John Pringle and Agnes (Ann) Wanless are:

James bap. 1832
Thomas and John bap. 1833
George born 13 Jan 1836 per Masters and Mate Certificate (no baptism found)
William b. 1838
Mary and Margaret b. 1840
James b.1842
Robert b. 1844
Robert b. 1845
Margaret Ann and Adam b. 1847
Luke b. 1850
Eleanor b. 1852

Where the name is repeated it is for the child that died before them.