Margaret James Plasbach

[roycymru]

The marriage (3 April 1787)  shows the witnesses as  J^no Rees and W^m Rees. David of Llangunner and Margaret of Llanelly

If she was circa 65 in 1841, she would be 11-ish at marriage. She could have fibbed about her age on the census.

Questions:
Do you have a list of their children?

Do you know if David left a will?

Is the younger David, aged 25 on the 1841, their son?


Gadget

Thanks for all the feedback and sorry about the confusion about the date of the Will of her grandmother. As the Will was from 1788and it states Margaret was married to David then they must have married 1787 or earlier, then the marriage I have found seems the most likely.

I have found a Will for David https://viewer.library.wales/729764 written 1832, it states he died 10 May 1846. For some reason the Will was not proven until 1849. No children are mentioned. Although it gives a death date 1846 I can’t find an appropriate death, of the right age, registered in 1846 in Llanelly or Carmarthen, which is strange. The nearest I can find is David James who died Llanelly in 1844 aged 89.

I have looked for children but can’t find any obviously baptised to them.  The David age 25 with them in 1841 therefore doesn’t appear to be a son, maybe he was a nephew. Assuming he survived until 1851, if he can be found then he may provide additional clues, but I am sure there will be many candidates.

I suspect Margaret’s age in 1842 is just wrong, they can be way out in 1841, if she had survived until 1851 we would have a better idea but I have been unable to find her in 1851

[roycymru]

There is also this Marriage;
11 Nov 1799, St Brynach, Llanboidy
David JAMES to Margaret REES

Anc has a M/C for David James, Farmer, Father David a Farmer, 1846.
His residence Plasbach
A John Rees a witness

GRO Death Reg;
JAMES, DAVID age 89 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 449
+
 2 possible for Margaret;
JAMES, MARGARET age 82  (c 1769**)
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 502
JAMES, MARGARET age 77 (c 1774**)
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 423

The 2nd one is on 1851 Census born c 1777 Pembrey, down as Marrried

Thanks for this. Not sure what you mean by anc has an m/c?

[roycymru]

Thanks Gadget but I am no Wales expert at all !

I think the earlier Death Reg is likely be Margaret as David born c 1811 Llanelly seems to have taken over the Farm.
His Father in Law is there also.

Regards,
Trish

Can you please clarify the above . Thanks

[Gadget]

I'm looking at the will now, Roy. It takes a while to go through it. It might have taken a while to find the will as written so much earlier than his death. Odd though!

[trish1120]

1846 Marriage of David is on Ancestry 1846 to Mary Bowen.

1851 Census
Plac Bach
David James 40 Head Mar Farmer of 65 Acres of land born Llanelly
Mary James
[Mary Bowen]    28
Ann James    3
Wm James   1
Edward Jenkins   75 Lodger
Margt Griffiths   18 Maid
Evan Harris   21 Servant
Wm Bowen   69 Father in Law

[trish1120]

The info above appears to be the David in 1841 Census with David age 80 and Margaret age 65.

[roycymru]

Hi Trish

(Sorry our replies crossed over)

I have worked it out. Thanks for this useful information. So, although there is no baptism, it looks like David and Margaret did have a son David who married Mary Bowen in Llanddarog on 4th Dec 1846. His address was Plasbach and his father was David James a Farmer. In 1851 they were then living at Plasbach along with Mary’s father Wm Bowen.

It also shows the inaccuracy of the 1841 ages, as in 1841 it states David was 25 whereas in fact according to the 1851 census he was nearer 30 in age

[Gadget]

This is the most likely death for David snr. The quarter is correct for a May death

JAMES, DAVID        89 
GRO Reference: 1844  J Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 449

[Gadget]

and Margaret:

   Name:    Age at Death (in years): 
   JAMES, MARGARET        82 
GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 502
   JAMES, MARGARET        77 
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in LLANELLY  Volume 26  Page 423

Most likely the first one if she was dead before census.