Robert Oliver (born about 1727) died in Hartington in 1804

[marp]

I am trying to trace the origins of my 4th great grandfather Robert Oliver (1727-1804).   He married Elizabeth Salt in Hartington  on 9 April 1752 and died and was  buried in Hartington in 1804.

There is speculation that Robert Oliver was in  Prince Charles Edward Stuart's Jacobite army which ended their march south in Derby in 1745.    I have found a baptismal record for a Robert Oliver  in Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland on 23 April 1727.  However, a search of the army Muster rolls has not revealed any information.

However, the Scottish connection could be just speculation!   I am wondering if anyone can shed some light on the Oliver family of Hartington.  I have good records  onwards from Mary Oliver (1804-1884) daughter of Robert Oliver and Sarah Alsoppe.  Mary married James Stanley in Pentrich  on  5 November 1827.

Any assistance with the Oliver family and a possible Scottish connection would be much appreciated.

thanks, marp

[Watson]

The marriage record says they were both of Hartington.  At the nearby parish of Chapel en le Frith was baptised on 9 August 1723 Robert the illegitimate son of Sarah Olliver.  It's four years earlier than your estimated year, but at least it shows that the name Oliver was represented locally.

The Derbyshire Record Society has printed the 1638 muster rolls for the county.  If it were me, I would check the index to learn about the distribution of Oliver, even though it is much earlier.

Hartington has borders with both Staffordshire and Cheshire, so you need to be alert to those possibilities, too.

[Watson]

I should have mentioned that D.R.S. also published Derbyshire Hearth Tax Assessments 1662–1670, which, for surname distribution purposes, would be closer that the musters.

[trish1120]

St Giles,
Hartington

Marriages;
Robert OLIVER/Elizabeth SALT 9 Apr 1752
Robert OLIVER/Mary WOODWARD 17 Jul 1768
Robert OLIVER, Widower*/Alice ALSOPE 31 Aug 1780
Robert OLIVER/Sarah ALSOPE 20 Aug 1786

Burials;
ELIZABETH, Wife of ROBERT Oliver 10 Aug 1767
MARY, Wife of ROBERT Oliver 03 Apr 1776
ELIZABETH, Wife of ROBERT 03 Jan 1786
ALICE Oliver 01 Dec 1806
+
REBECAH 05 Apr 1761
THOS 23 Nov 1766 , both have Parents as Robert/Elizabeth
+
JOHN 11 Jul 1769
GEORGE 29 Mar 1771,  these 2 just have Father as Robert

ROBERT/ELIZABETH Bapt;
Ann 1753/Thomas 1755/Rebecca 1756/John 1758/George 1765

So did Robert remarry after Elizabeth died 1776.
And were there 2 Roberts around in the time frame or did he marry 3 times?

[trish1120]

Not sure how far back FreeREG has transcribed but earliest Hartington Burial is HELLEN Oliver 19 Nov 1735, Wife of JOSEPH
Abode Ludwall

This is likely;
Helenam STEVENSON
Josepham OLIVER who married 26 Feb 1711 St Giles

Other marriages about the same time as Robert/Elizabeth 1752 are;
OLIVER;
James 1746
William 1747
Thomas 1752

[marp]

Hi, many thanks for your responses.

The question of surname distribution is interesting and I had not thought of that.  I will get around to it.  I had not found the  1723 birth of Robert,  illegitimate son of Sarah Oliver in Chapel-en-the-Frith. Thank You 'Watson".

Trish, thank you for your information.   Robert Oliver married Elizabeth Salt (1729-1767)  at St Giles, Hartington on 9 April 1752.  Among other children they had a son named Robert Oliver bapt Hartington on 17 July 1761.  This Robert married Sarah Alsoppe on 20 August 1786 in Monyash and he died May 1845 in Hartington.

I will follow up the information on Hellen Stevenson and Joseph Oliver who married in 1711.  It indicates that there was a family named Oliver in  Hartington!

Thank you again, both of you.  More work to be done!

marp

There are a few Robert Olivers around in this family so it is important not to confuse them, although easy to do..