O'Brien, Murray and Smythe.

[margnip2]

Hi all not been on here for a good while, but here goes.

I am looking for any information on John O'Brien c1817-1881, Catherine Murray born c1817 and Francis Smythe c1827-1917.  John and Catherine are on my tree, my 3x great grand parents. But since my DNA results where I have a connection with them I am finding a Francis Smythe (no DNA connection) married to John O'Brien.  John and Catherine married 2nd Dec 1837 and had my 2x great grandad in1838.  They married in St Michans Dublin.  I then found John married to Frances in 1868 in Harrogate Yorkshire.

What I need to know is, is the John married to Frances the same as the one married to Catherine as I have not bee able to find a record of Catherines death.  Which I think is what happened for John to marry again. Any help is appriciated.

[QueenoftheWest]

Hi,

I am little confused...

John Dawson Brien, a barrister, of Castletown, Co Fermanagh, married Frances Smyth in 1868 in Harrogate, Yorkshire. He was a bachelor, so he had not been previously married.

I don't understand how you have linked him to your John O'Brien? How did your DNA results lead you to this?

Maybe it would be a good idea to go back to the beginning: I can see the marriage of John O'Brien and Catherine Murray in Dublin in 1837. What was the name of your great-grandfather, who was baptised in 1838? Did they have other children? Do you then believe they moved to England? Where did John die in 1881?

Queenie 

[rosie17]

John Dawson Brien
Died 26 July 1881
South Dublin
Age 66

[rosie17]

This looks like the baptism of their son
Christopher O 'Brien
Baptized 30 November 1838
St Catherine's Dublin City
Father J O'Brien
Mother Cathe Murray

I would say this is your John and the John Dawson Brien are two different people

Rosie

[margnip2]

Thank you for your answers.

QueenoftheWest, yes it is confusing. 

John Dawson Brien was the son of John Brien 1776-1856 and Charlotte Dawson 1799-1850, I have DNA matches with both of these. 

I did go back to the start with my dad trying to sort it out.  The child that John O'Brien and Catherine Murray had was Christopher O'Brien, born 1838.  His daughter was Julia O'Brien born 1868, she married Patrick Byrne born 1868 who are the parents of my grandfather.  Also I have noticed that the Brien name over the years changes from Brien to O'Brien.

It is the DNA results that have caused me the confusion.

[heywood]

 Who did Christopher O’Brien marry?
Where was Julia born?

Are you saying that you have dna contacts to link you to John O’Brien and Catherine Murray but not John Dawson?
Perhaps someone has got the wrong person in their tree. 

[heywood]

Is this her - but the birth is 1865 not 1868 as you write.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03574/2317346.pdf

Marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10750/5920310.pdf

[margnip2]

I found this on hints on Ancestry.  I have DNA links to Charlotte and her father Rev William Dawson (1746-1823), these showed up on my ThruLines.  Have Ancestry made a big mistake?

[heywood]

I donkt know anything about Thru Lines but just found this from Ancestry.

“Accuracy. Since ThruLines are based on the family trees of you and other members of Ancestry, they're as accurate as the trees they're based on. Mistakes in family trees can cause inaccurate ThruLines. Because they're based on trees, ThruLines don't prove your specific connection to a DNA match.”