Unable to locate Male ancestor pre marriage

[James Hawkey]

Hello

My 2x Great grandfather John Hillam abt 1861 of Peterborough Northamptonshire is in the Derby census of 1891 and 1901 with his wife Sarah Jane Woodward (formally Jane Woodward) abt 1867 of Biggleswade Bedfordshire along with their four children. William, Annie, Gertrude (my Great Grandma) and Earnest, all born in Derby. Im not able to find John and Sarahs (Janes) Marriage anywhere, and am unable to find a John Hillam who is a good match in earllier census records. Anyone able to help, or any suggestions.

Regards James

[ColC]

Possible birth registration?

   HILLAM, JOHN  THOMAS     mmn WILLIAMSON 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH  Volume 03B  Page 208

Colin

[ColC]

Possible birth registration?

   HILLAM, JOHN  THOMAS     mmn WILLIAMSON 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH  Volume 03B  Page 208

Colin
PS: My fault, oops.

[QueenoftheWest]

Thought I would put forward a theory:

I notice that, in the census, John's occupation is machine fitter.

There is a man called John Hillam Rudd with the same occupation and birth place living with his family in 1881:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-CK25

He is also with them on the previous censuses. A few years older than your John, but people often shaved a few years off. More importantly, I can find no trace of him after this census, so could he be your John Hillam?

Queenie 

[rosie99]

Possible birth registration?

   HILLAM, JOHN  THOMAS     mmn WILLIAMSON 
GRO Reference: 1860  D Quarter in PETERBOROUGH  Volume 03B  Page 208

Colin

He died age 2
Death Sep qtr 1863   
Hillam    John Thomas        Peterbro    3b   149

[James Hawkey]

@CoIC as Rosie99 has mentioned John T died as a baby, it was a route id lookied down previously.
@Queenofthewest amazing, I was looking for a matching occupation, I'd have never found this, I'd say it's a quite possible match. Thank you

[rosie99]

15 October 1881 - Cambridge Independent Press -
Thomas Woodruff. C. G. Hill, and A W. Marshall, Esq. Edward Jenkins, rag and bone dealer, Wm. Biddell, our dry labourer. John Hillam Rudd, fitter, John ielly, fitter, and Henry Tuck, smith, all of Peterborough, were charged with committing violent assault

I wonder if he changed his name after that  .  Sorry I can't access the original

[QueenoftheWest]

15 October 1881 - Cambridge Independent Press -
Thomas Woodruff. C. G. Hill, and A W. Marshall, Esq. Edward Jenkins, rag and bone dealer, Wm. Biddell, our dry labourer. John Hillam Rudd, fitter, John ielly, fitter, and Henry Tuck, smith, all of Peterborough, were charged with committing violent assault

I wonder if he changed his name after that  .  Sorry I can't access the original

Unfortunately, the full article doesn't really add anything about John specifically. Just says he was 24 at the time.

Queenie 

[QueenoftheWest]

@Queenofthewest amazing, I was looking for a matching occupation, I'd have never found this, I'd say it's a quite possible match. Thank you

Certainly a strong possibility; it's just a shame that I cannot currently find anything concrete. You haven't by any chance done your DNA, have you? John Hillam Rudd had lots of siblings, so (if correct) you may match some of their descendants.

Queenie