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Missing daughter
« on: Monday 17 April 23 17:29 BST (UK) »
Alice DANIELS - an actress aged 30 - appeared according to numerous newspaper reports in North London Police Court on 28 Oct 1899, charged with attempted suicide.

She had been cohabiting with a "man of foreign appearance", with whom she had evidently quarrelled,  giving rise to her suicide attempt. At the first hearing - date not clear from reports - the defendant's daughter was left in the charge of the man she had been living with. The daughter is described as being approximately 18 months. At the subsequent hearing, the man asked to be relieved of caring duties, asking for the defendant to be released on bail so as to be able to care for the child. This was refused and the court ordered the child to be taken to the workhouse. Presumably the Islington workhouse. The refusal was based on the fact that the defendant had been up before Guildhall court the previous month for an earlier attempt at suicide.

Eventually - at a third hearing? - the court released both the defendant and her child, on the condition that they moved into a safe environment, a "nursing" home for the acting profession, championed by a Mr Holmes, who seems to have been a proto social worker attached to the court.

I have discovered that Alice was admitted to Islington Workhouse on 11 Oct 1899 and discharged on 13 Oct 1899. This seems to pre-date the second suicide attempt, though I must admit I am finding it difficult to keep track of the dates. I cannot, however, find an admission date for her daughter.

Indeed, her daughter remains a total mystery, even her name remaining unknown. According to reports she was 18 months to 2 years of age.

I would very much like to discover what happened to Alice and her daughter in the immediate aftermath of the court hearing. Where and what was this nursing home for the acting profession? When and where was the daughter born? And what was her name?

Alice - though I am not certain that it is her - next pops up according to the 1901 census as a boarder at the home of Hattie Taylor in Retcar Street, St Pancras. If it is her, she has no daughter.

There are numerous newspaper reports on FindMyPast relating to the case. And of course Workhouse records are to be found on Ancestry. I am, however, having great difficulties in weaving a coherent story from the various threads and sources. I find the workhouse records particularly problematic. So any help would be gratefully received.


 

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Re: Missing daughter
« Reply #1 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:18 BST (UK) »
If you check GRO online 1897 & 1898 for female Daniels births with no mmn in the London area - there are none.  The only 2 I came up with were Stella Olive Popple Daniels - Croydon 1898 & Jessie Daniels Edmonton 1897

As an actress she may have been living in a different area when she had the child

Where was Alice born & did she ever marry?
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:22 BST (UK) »
Do you know the name of Alice’s parents?

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:26 BST (UK) »
If you do a search under my name you will find another thread on Alice with more info. I should have refreshed that thread, I simply forgot I had posted it/


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:32 BST (UK) »

If you do a search under my name you will find another thread on Alice with more info.

I should have refreshed that thread, I simply forgot I had posted it/

For anyone else looking to help have added the link

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861178.9
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:47 BST (UK) »
Could this be her registered births in St George’s Workhouse

Edith Rose Daniels
Birth Date   23 Sep 1899
Birth Poor Law Union   Southwark
Birth Place   Southwark, Southwark, England
Mother Alice Daniels

Edith Rose Daniels
Baptism Date   2 Oct 1899 born 23rd Sept
Baptism Place   St George the Martyr, Southwark, England
Mother    Alice Daniels
Register Type   Parish Register - noted as P.B.

No occupation given for mother Alice abode 14 Bath Terrace London Road

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DANIELS, EDITH  ROSE     - 
GRO Reference: 1899  D Quarter in ST. SAVIOUR SOUTHWARK LONDON  Volume 01D  Page 41



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« Reply #6 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:55 BST (UK) »
Edith Rose Daniels
Admission Date   23 Sep 1899
Admission Place   Southwark, Southwark, London
Parent Alice Daniels

Alice Daniels 1879,  Charing
Edith Rose Daniels  1899
Admission Date   6 Oct 1899
Admission Place   Southwark, Southwark, London

Alice own request & Edith Rose Daniels with mother
Discharge Date   6 Oct 1899
Discharge Place   Southwark

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 April 23 19:56 BST (UK) »
Alice was born a catholic, though I’m not sure how devout she was. Not sure if this impacts the baptism.

Interesting find.

Also Alice was born 1869.

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« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 April 23 20:15 BST (UK) »
If the daughter was 18-24 months old in Oct 1899, she must have been born Q4 1897 - Q2 1898. So Edith seems a little late.

What happened to the daughter? She doesn’t appear to be with Alice in 1901.