Missing daughter

[jonw65]

Thank you, heywood

[Greaves]

Yes, thanks.

If Mantlework is correct, she didn't continue with it, as by 1891 she was a domestic servant and by 1899 an actress/entertainer.

[genealogyem]

Found another newspaper article that may be about Alice.

Middlesex Gazette
Saturday November 16 1907
Page 7

Ponders End

Frederick Cowley, of Allen's road, Ponders End, was summoned for assaulting Alice Daniels. a neighbour.----Mr. Windsor prosecuted. -- Complainant said that she was hanging out seller linen in her garden on October 21 inst, when defendant came and used insulting language. threw stones at her. and threw mud at her clean clothes. Defendant denied throwing either stone or mud, and said that all he did was to speak to complainant about her annoying his mother is.—Defendant's mother was called, and said that she threw the dirt and complainant threw the stones,—Defendant's wife denied that her husband threw anything, adding that complainant threw cabbage stalks at her husband.—A sister of defendant gave evidence, and the case was dismissed.

[Greaves]

Probably not the Alice we are discussing. Alice spent most of her life in the Islington/Camden area of North London. Ponders End is at the other end of North London. Several branches of the Daniels extended family have lived in the Edmonton/Ponders End/Enfield area.

[jonw65]

The very last report (in several newspapers) makes no mention of the workhouse, and says the child was "now in the keeping of the man she was living with"
Despite the "affecting" scene, reported previously, in which she was led away.
So perhaps she didn't go to the workhouse after all?

Then says that in the actress's home "provision will also be made for the care of the child"
That provision perhaps might ultimately have meant the child being adopted? Even though no mention was made of such a thing in the court, and Alice was obviously attached to her daughter.
I did wonder if she might have died before the census in 1901, but there isn't anything particularly likely in the indexes.

It would be interesting to know where she was in 1911.

In 1911 Alice might be living with a man, and recorded under his name. It would make finding her very difficult.

[Greaves]

Does anybody know if the records of the North London Police Court are online? Or indeed where - assuming they still exist - they are Kept?

Perhaps, the LMA.

[jonw65]

Thank you for your thoughts, Greaves

[Greaves]

jonw65 - I am beginning to run out of ideas with regard to Alice. Actually I probably run out of ideas some time ago.

But I have known people on this forum to come up with brilliant insights.

I agree that finding Alice in 1911 is next to impossible, but will keep trying.

I have e-mailed LMA to check on the records for the North London Police Court. I am also wondering if there are any records left for the Covent Garden home for distressed entertainers.

[Ladyhawk]

not the right middle name for Alice's father George Daniel and Alice's birth year is later than 1869  but thought I'd post as there are some similarities........ I haven't checked yet to see if there's an Alice born c1873 with a father named George William Daniels occ fishmonger on 1881 census

Alice born c1869 Holloway London her father George' s occupation on 1881 census was a fishmonger but George's  middle name is Thos and Thomas on his marriage in 1868 to Catherine Connelly

26th January 1918 Parish Church St Thomas Camden Town

Philip James CANNELL age 64 widow, messenger
Father Charles Dec’d milkman

Alice DANIELS 45, spinster, charwoman
Father George William Daniels, occ  fishmonger
Both res. 52 Rochester Road, Both signed
witnesses Ellen Cannell & John Henry Dickinson

London Electoral Register

Year 1918
Philip James & Alice CANNELL
Samuel Watkin & Alice LEWIS
address 13 Rochester Road

Years 1920/1921/1922

Philip James & Alice CANNELL
Kate  Cantelo
Henry Paul & Clara Trissler
Address 40 St John’s Park

Free index 1921 census Islington

Philip James Cannell 1853   London, Middlesex,
Alice Cannell  1872   Holloway, London
Ellen   Cannell   1899   Kentish Town

Death

Mar 1953    Islington    5c   1301
Alice CANNELL    age  83   (born c1870)

Do you have Alice Daniels exact date of birth?

There's this person in Islington on 1939 register

Alice Cannell dob 1 Sep 1869