Looking for William Thomas of Tynycwm Farm, Pontyberem in 1911, 1901 or earlier

[roycymru]

Hello

I know some of you are much better that tracing people with associated addresses than me. Therefore, I am hoping you can help me find William Thomas a labourer of Tycwm farm, Pontyberem. Unfortunately I don’t have a year of birth for, him but I am guessing before 1886 and could be a few years before this. He was supposedly the eldest son and a brother who hanged himself. I am interested as he is mentioned in an affiliation case brought by a Catherine Rees of Old Sardis, Trimsaran against him.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4173534/4173536/14/Catherine%20Rees%20AND%20Sardis%20AND%20Llanelly

[CaroleW]

You presumably have pre 1891 details?

[roycymru]

You presumably have pre 1891 details?

Unfortunately no, I don’t have any census details. The only information I have is from the newspaper article.

[CaroleW]

How old was Catherine Rees in 1907 as it mentions she had 2 other children?

What was the name of the child fathered by William Thomas

What is the connection to your FH?

[roycymru]

Catherine Rees was born in 1874 (she was actually illegitimate herself and born as Catherine Hughes). She had 3 illegitimate children, at least 2 of which were by different fathers. David Rees 1898, Tom Rees 1901 and Gladys May Rees born at the end of 1906. This affiliation Oder relates to Gladys. Catherine went on to marry a William Henry Rosser. I have DNA links to a descendent from this line and trying to work out who this might be.

[CaroleW]

There is an illegitimate 5yr old Selina Rees b 1896 on the 1901 entry.  Was Selina the illegitimate child of one of Catherine's siblings?   If she was Catherine's daughter then the newspaper article is incorrect
 

[roycymru]

Selina was the illegitimate daughter of Catherine’s sister Margaret (there is a copy of her birth certificate in someone’s tree on Ancestry confirming this).

I think the newspaper article is fine. The case was brought in Feb 1907 and Gladys was born 28 Dec 1906, so logically the newspaper article is about Gladys. Gladys having 2 siblings David and Tom.

This is the family in 1911 living with their mother Mary and Catherine’s brother David

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2353/images/rg14_32871_0367_06?backurl=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.ancestry.co.uk%252Ffamily-tree%252Fperson%252Ftree%252F72019084%252Fperson%252F222468501373%252Ffacts%252Fcitation%252F742645823116%252Fedit%252Frecord&pid=1939461

[CaroleW]

If we assume William Thomas was of a similar age to Catherine then he was born somewhere around 1872-1874 - but not necessarily in Carmarthenshire.

Gladys was conceived during early 1906 & the court case was Feb 1907.  No guarantees that William Thomas was working on that farm in 1901 or 1911. 

Nothing to suggest he was married so looking at single person entries in 1901 only turns up William Roger Thomas aged 27 - farmers son - father was Hugh.  He was married by 1911 & on neither census was his address Tygwyn farm

[roycymru]

If we assume William Thomas was of a similar age to Catherine then he was born somewhere around 1872-1874 - but not necessarily in Carmarthenshire.

Gladys was conceived during early 1906 & the court case was Feb 1907.  No guarantees that William Thomas was working on that farm in 1901 or 1911. 

Nothing to suggest he was married so looking at single person entries in 1901 only turns up William Roger Thomas aged 27 - farmers son - father was Hugh.  He was married by 1911 & on neither census was his address Tygwyn farm

Thank you very much for looking, I have had no luck either. Perhaps he was being not truly honest in the details he gave to court? The story is also a bit confusing as it start by saying he is of Tycwm Farm but the later states "he could eject the occupants of Tycwm Farm, as he was the eldest son". Whether he was living there or not I have been unable to find a Ty Cwm farm, Pontyberem. Though there is a Cwm Farm Pontyberem in 1901 with a Jenkins family living there

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/7815/images/CMNRG13_5092_5099-0188?pId=32648882