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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 00:15 BST (UK) »
Too late for me to read through all on these links so I could be way off but from a quick look I think they say there was a church rate collected from every house and land for support of the clergy and church.
I assume the tithes was the land referred to but house must include towns and cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_rate


https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1826/feb/16/church-rates-in-ireland



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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 01:49 BST (UK) »
Too late for me to read through all on these links so I could be way off but from a quick look I think they say there was a church rate collected from every house and land for support of the clergy and church.
I assume the tithes was the land referred to but house must include towns and cities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_rate


https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1826/feb/16/church-rates-in-ireland

The church rate supported the cost of church maintenance, and church services, but not the clergy. It paid for things like the bread and wine, the sexton and parish clerk. In the majority of parishes, however, the support of the clergy themselves came from the tythes. But tythes were not levied in municipal parishes. So what I am interested in is, what was the system to support the clergy in those places?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 07:45 BST (UK) »
I think they were paid from the income of each parish, rents on property owned by the parish and such like, support of local gentry.
This was the best I could find http://www.stgitehistory.org.uk/media/stipends.html
COI was likely managed the same is COE so perhaps the Common Room would be a good place to ask.

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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 16:55 BST (UK) »
Suggestions: by fees charged for marriages/licences etc, pew rental, by the giving of congregations, emoluments from the Church, income from glebe land and houses. Curates were salaried.

"The Irish Church Act guaranteed the incomes of all those then in receipt of emoluments from the Church: clergy, diocesan schoolmasters, sextons and parish clerks. The funds provided were only sufficient to pay those then in office."
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/our-faith/apck-leaflets/disestablishment

There may be more detail if delve into the digital resources available in the RCB such as the The Journal of the General Convention of 1870. Page 3 Archbishops introduction/address suggests the problem of income was easily remedied by the gentry in towns but not in rural areas where farmers would be unable to support a minister.

https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/welcome-to-disestablishment-150/rcb-library-collection
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/about/welcome-to-disestablishment-150/disestablishment-in-context

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1869/42/contents/enacted


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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 January 24 04:54 GMT (UK) »
To partially answer my own question, the mechanism by which the established church was supported in some of the main towns and cities was a tax known as minister's/ministers' money, introduced by Act of parliament in 1665:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministers%27_money
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: How Was the Established Church Supported in Corporate Towns and Cities?
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 January 24 02:27 GMT (UK) »
Just to summarize and put this in context.

The tythe valuations are an extremely valuable source for identifying those holding land of above about an acre outside of Irish corporate towns in the 1820s and 30s. That being so, I wondered what the situation was for the corporate towns - how were the clergy of the established church supported in those locations? Could there be equivalent records?

The answer appears to be that by law since 1665 valuations were to be performed in such corporate towns, with a tax, so called "ministers' money",  of up to 5% of the assessed value of dwellings being raised for the support of the CofI clergy. As this was done on the basis of valuations, as with the tythe valuations, one supposes there must have been contemporary records. But I have never seen any,  or reference to any. Anyone know of any associated records for "minister's money"?
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area