Clarice Irene Green married John Smith 1929

[Special Needs Girl]

Hi,

Clarice Irene Green was born 4th February 1908 in Pontypridd, Glamorganshire to Gwladys Margaret Green.
In 1911 she is listed as Clarinde Green and described as the daughter of Gwladys’s parents - Ellen Elizabeth and Henry Vicary Green.
 Gwladys married James William Cuff in 1915 in Bootle and on the 1921 census Clarice is listed as “wife’s daughter”.

I have found a marriage for Clarice Irene Green to John Smith in December 1929 in Withington, Lancashire and I am now stuck.

John Smith is the son of Arthur Henry Smith and his wife Sarah Ellen.
Arthur has died by 1921 and John is living at home with his mother and some siblings. He is an office clerk at John Alfred & Sons.

I have tried finding Clarice and John on the 1939 register but although I have found a possible address on electoral registers - 1110 Chester Road, Stretford, I cannot locate this address on the 1939 register.

Trying to see if they had children is impossible. SMITH / GREEN is as bad as Jones and Thomas and Davies!!! (and I’ve plenty of those!!)

I have tried looking for John Alfred coal merchants but been unsuccessful.

Is there anyone who can point me in the right direction so that I can try to find any descendants of Clarice and John.

(I know that Clarice had 2 brothers and I have researched them thoroughly but on finding descendants they know nothing about Clarice.)

Thank you in anticipation
SNG

[Milliepede]

I wonder if finding a death for Clarice would help.  Clarice Irene are good names even if Smith isn't!

If she was a widow there's a chance a child (if she had one) was the informant and give you a name to investigate.   

[Milliepede]

Here's one

Clarice Irene Smith born 4 Feb 1908

death 1996 Bury

so as the birth date matches you could take a chance on the death certificate having some information.

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address appears on 1939 register on FindMyPast but seems to be empty!
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1110 Chester Road, Stretford
Stretford M.B.
Lancashire
England

John

[Milliepede]

Trying to see if they had children is impossible. SMITH / GREEN

Appreciate the difficulties but you could check births a year or two after the marriage in the same district they got married.  There might be an unusual name that sticks out for you to follow up.

Edith Smith born Dec 1931 same district as the marriage with mothers name Green.
Could rule her out if nothing else.

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Do you know John Smith's approx birth year

John

[Special Needs Girl]

The census returns I’ve found indicate John Smith was born in 1903, John. Sorry I should have put that in my original message.

Thanks Milliepede.  I’ll do some research on Edith Smith.

Yes John I discovered the fact that the address 1110 Chester Road was missing in 1939.

Thanks for the dod Milliepede, I’ll chase that one up.

Thanks everyone for your help.  It is very much appreciated.
I’m normally researching Wales but for some reason Gwladys and some of her siblings moved to Lancashire after their mother died, sometime between 1911 and 1921.

Yes probably work.

SNG

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John's birth

SMITH, JOHN       MORRIS 
GRO Reference: 1903  S Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 957

Possible death

John Smith
16 Jun 1903   Jul 1982   Jul-Aug-Sep   Bury   Greater Manchester

there is a John Smith with that dob living in Stretford, married, Clarice not with him though. Not sure if his occupation possibly matches that of 1921 census though

John

[softly softly]

Possibly Clarice in 1939 Cheshire
Lymm Ud

dob 4/?/1908, image difficult to read, but does look like Feb, and is married.

John