Crawford Gaol aka Wellington Prison - and an incorrigible rellie

[minniehaha]

I had not looked through his war file (?) so did not have height details etc......

Minniehaha.

[mckha489]

War file

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=7984669

[spades]

Hi Carol,

Wellington has had two prisons: the Terrace Gaol, more commonly known as Wellington Prison (located on The Terrace, the site of a number of judicial hangings) and opened in 1927, Mt Crawford Prison, which replaced it.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01s9b/

https://natlib.govt.nz/records/22391755

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/9451478/Hangings-and-floggings-at-The-Terrace-Gaol

https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/The_Terrace_Gaol.html?id=S58qtwAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/terrace-gaol

Spades

[dragonlady403]

Thanks for those links Spades!  I love the description of The Terrace Gaol in one of the links.  Sounds like a wonderful place to stay:)

My rellie wrote from "Wellington Prison" in April 1932. I just can't, for the life of me, figure out when and why he was there:(

Regards, Carol

[dragonlady403]

mckha489  - We're RELLIES!!! I will msge you separately on that.

Minniehaha and mckha489-- I also looked at that arrest for Timothy from Hokitika.. but "our' Timothy was listed as 5.4 in his Australian military medical records.  He had blue eyes and dark brown hair.  The guy arrested was listed as 5'8.  I would think that's quite a big height discrepancy....?

Timothy Patrick had worked as a sheep shearer in Aussie, prior to enlistment.  I've never found any records indicating a marriage - so definitely not sure about the family desertion aspect. 

Also, I think the only crimes he ever committed were mostly against himself (i.e. drinking) and the rules (i.e. he considered them to be guidelines at best!).

I'm not sure what could have happened to land him in jail for any length of time (and not sure if it was more than 30 days to "sleep it off").  THAT BEING said - I recall seeing something in the Police Gazettes (I think) about "persistent" criminals (recidivism was rampant).  I wondered if he'd been nicked under a regulation along those lines.  Is that possible?

Carol

[Lucy2]

Hi Carol

*   Where did your Timothy MURPHY die ??

[Just curious ... using this as a process of elimination   ]

    ~   Lu

[dragonlady403]

Hi Lu:)

I don't know where he died, I was trying to track down his life after he returned from the war. 

He had been living in NSW as a sheep shearer prior to the war.  I actually thought he'd returned and died there, until I found his letter from Wellington Prison in April 32
Carol

[Lucy2]

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/periodicals/NZPG19210112.2.4?items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=timothy+murphy&snippet=true&title=NZPG%2cOPG

Minniehaha.

Hi Carol

                           * *    For    Elimination    * *

Am able to rule out the ^ above ^ Timothy MURPHY (husband of Martha - nee GROFSKY) who resided at Hokitika (and was born there c. 1885 ).     He eventually returned to his wife and children - appears in electoral rolls for Westland area for numerous years working as a butcher.
He served WW1 NZ Army - Regt. # 5/80 - enlisted 18 Aug. 1914 - discharged June 1918.

He died in 1963 aged 78 years - is buried with wife Martha at Ruru Cemetery, Christchurch.   

   ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Cheers Carol ... have now eliminated the chap from Hokitika ... so will keep looking.

His father made a point of disinheriting him as well!
   *  Can you expand on this please  ??

   ~  Lu