Martin - Carroll Families in Surrey and Woolwich, Kent UK

[JulieAE]

Looking for information on my great great grandfather James Martin who was born 2/2/1832 Woolwich, Kent, UK. James was stoker in the Royal Navy and while in Malta he met and married Maria Dolores Aloysia Caruana in 1860. On James and Maria's marriage document it states his parents are John Martin and Elizabeth Carroll. John Martin and Elizabeth Carroll married in St Mary Parish, Newington, Southwark, Surrey in 1827. I found the marriage of John and Elizabeth and I have had no luck finding more information... I would really appreciate any help I can get.

[trish1120]

1827 Marriage is on FreeREG;
Witnesses, John/Elizabeth Martin
Note;
Witness 1 John MARTIN Senior. Bride, groom & both witnesses signed with their marks

So John the witness was likely the Father of John who married.

[garstonite]

Hiya Julie - and a warm welcome to Rootschat
not all trees are correct - but have a look at this one
James Giacomo Martin - marries Maria Dolores Aloysia Caruana - they married twice - 1860 in an Anglican church - and in 1866 in a Catholic church

https://gw.geneanet.org/familypompei?n=martin&oc=&p=james+giacomo
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John Snr. Martin ca 1764-       Elizabeth Goodall ca 1764-   
                                         William Carroll ca 1762-ca 1836       Charlotte Sendall 1848-1862
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John Martin ca 1795-             Elizabeth Carroll 1796-   
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James 'Giacomo' *Stoker in Royal British Navy* Martin 1832-   
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tree owner is a FEMALE   J Martin ...presumably a descendant of James - are you ??

[garstonite]

quote from records - his ship
Occupation - HMS Medina
James was a stoker (a fireman) in the Navy on the HMS Medina
25 May 1860 :   Marriage (with Maria Dolores Aloysia Caruana)
Many couples married twice due to religion and mixed marriages not being accepted until 1892.
James Martin was English - in 1860 they married in an Anglican Church.
Maria Dolores Aloysia Caruana was Maltese - in 1866 they remarried in a Catholic Church.

[JulieAE]

Thank you everyone, all the information is from my own tree, thank you for looking, what I am trying to do is find a paper trail from Newington, Surrey where John and Elizabeth were married in 1827 and moved to Woolwich, Kent to where James was born 2/2/1832. I was born and live in Australia so I dont really know much about Surrey and Woolwich, I have read a lot about the places but not enough to be able to search the right places to find James' baptism record or any census records.

I would like to see if I can find if my great-great grandfather James Martin had any siblings. John and Elizabeth married in 1827 so I would think their first child would of been born in 1828/29? then another 1830? then James 1832 and possibly more? I have been searching for over a year and half and have had no luck.

[JulieAE]

I forgot to say 'Yes I am a descendant of James Martin' my maiden name is Martin. My dad Allen Vincent Martin passed away in August 2020 he is the son of John Alfred Martin born 1900 Alexandria, Egypt and Epiphania Pompei born 1905 Smyrna, Turkey.

John Alfred Martin is the son of Alfred John Martin born 1876 Smyrna, Turkey and Josephine Devisian born 1897 Smyrna Turkey.

Alfred John Martin is the son of James Martin born 1832 Woolwich, Kent and Maria Dolores Aloysia Caruana born 1839 Vittoriosa, Malta. (James was their 7th child)

James Martin is the son of John Martin and Elizabeth Carroll who married in Newington, Southwark, Surrey in 1827.

I truly appreciate everyone trying to help, thank you.

[trish1120]

I did a couple of days ago have a good look for other children to John/Elizabeth besides your James 1832 with little luck.

Is there an occupation for the Father of James on M/C's you have?

Trish

[Neale1961]

Worth mentioning that at Woolwich were Army barracks, so your James may have been born there while his father was a soldier, and then the family moved on elsewhere.

Can you give all the information from Jame's marriage record please?

Is it possible James had an earlier marriage?

[Neale1961]

You might want to look into this family further.

1851 census Woolwich
John Martin 59, machinist, born Taunton
Elizabeth Martin 50 born ---Sanford ?
Francis Martin 21 born Barnstable, machinist – (he eventually ends up as a chief engineer with Royal Navy) 
James Martin 18 born Barnstable, machinist

Same family in 1841 census Barnstaple Devon
John Martin 45, Smith
Elizabeth Martin 45
Francis Martin 12
Mary Martin 10
James Martin 6
Sarah Martin 2

James MARTIN (b abt 1832) Marriage in 1853 Erith Kent to Louisa YALE
On marriage is an engineer and son of John Martin
James’ brother Francis Martin is witness

By 1861 census Louisa Martin is alone, claims to be a widow, has 3 children: Joseph Francis 6, A Louisa 3, George Edwin 1.
Louisa Martin remarries in 1863.
When son Joseph Francis Martin marries in 1876 he names his father as James Martin - Engineer with Royal Navy