Annie and Florence Moore

[jrainbrim]

In my quest to find a link between Annie Jane Moore born 1886 in Porth and Florence Mabel Moore also born in Porth, I have failed to find a 1891 census record for Annie which will end my quest.
Their father was Henry Moore born in Holsworthy Devon, their mother was Charlotte Hillman also born in Devon.
They were married in 1883 in Holsworthy and came to live in Wales. They had many children and lived in Porth for much of their lives after marrying.
I believe Annie and her husband John Rowlings adopted Florence's first son William born 1917, before her marriage to Edward Venables. He is living with Annie, John and John's father William in York Place Porth.
I can only find a record for Annie living with a Thomas Moore which is suppose to be her grandfather but it is not.
Can I have help please. Thank you.

[heywood]

Do you have her birth information?
1891 4412 /104/39
 Shows Henry and Charlotte with children - there is an Amy 4 yrs.
GRO has births for:

1884.  Lily mmn Hillman (in 1891 census)

1888 Ellen Louisa mmn Hillman (Nelly in 1891)

1891 Elizabeth mmn Hillman (1891 census)

There is an 1886 birth for Annie Jane with mmm Willman - perhaps a transcription error.

Who is Amy?

[hanes teulu]

Have you found their birth registrations with the General Register Office (ree but you have to register).
The record for Florence Mabel, registered 1894, shows mother's maiden name as Hillman.
The record for Annie Jane, registered 1886, shows mother's maiden name as Willman.

I can see 6 Pontypridd births for Moore, mother's maiden name Hillman (date range 1883-1903) and only one for Moore, maiden name Willman. An instance of failing to capture Hillman correctly?

Heywood - my view too about an error along the line

[heywood]

Where do you see Annie with Thomas Moore?

Is it 1901, when you can’t find her?

You write:
I believe Annie and her husband John Rowlings adopted Florence's first son William born 1917, before her marriage to Edward Venables. He is living with Annie, John and John's father William in York Place Porth.

Florence Moore and Edward Venables were married in December quarter 1915.
William E Venables mmn Moore was born 1917.

[osprey]

well, he doesn't appear with Florence M in 1921 census

3 other people in the household
Edward Venables b. Welshpool 1891
Henry Thomas b. Porth 1919
Ida Doreen b. Porth 1921

Rawlings household in addition to Annie Jane
John b. Porth 1879
William Venables Rawlings b. Porth 1917

This is before the start of official adoption. He may just have staying with the couple. But no birth regs for Rawlings with mmn Moore.

[jrainbrim]

Thank you all.
 I also think that the maiden name for Annie's mother was transcribed incorrectly and should be Hillman.
Amy.. on the census could be Anny. I think this is Annie.
I found Thomas in Treherbert but the details do not match. That Annie only 8 years old in 1901. 7 years too young.
Have to order John and Annie marriage certificate. Dont really know why I have not found Annie in 1901. Keep looking I guess.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

well, he doesn't appear with Florence M in 1921 census

3 other people in the household
Edward Venables b. Welshpool 1891
Henry Thomas b. Porth 1919
Ida Doreen b. Porth 1921

Rawlings household in addition to Annie Jane
John b. Porth 1879
William Venables Rawlings b. Porth 1917

This is before the start of official adoption. He may just have staying with the couple. But no birth regs for Rawlings with mmn Moore.

Is it possible William's surname has been messed up and he's acquired a Rawlings in transcription via an assumed ditto from John and Annie Jane's name? I've seen that a few times on censuses

[jrainbrim]

States in 1921 adopted grandson.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

I've had a quick look at Edward's WWI service record but it has no details of where he was serving 9 months before William was born.

That was one thought I had as to why he's not with Edward and Florence. Another might be that he had some disability/illness so Annie took him so that Edward and Florence could bring up their other children

grandson is incorrect anyway