Susan Agnes Haren Birth 1854 Glasgow

[Cathy_Aus]

Hi:)
I have a Direct Haren Line In Ireland  Co Clare  Wondering Please Who Susan Agnes Harens Parents Were
I dont have Access To Scotlands People
Thanks For any Help With this One Much Appreciated
Have Seen her birth registered 15 September 1854
Cheers
Cathy:)

[mckha489]

Scotlands people is pay per view £7 for 5 images. Well worth it.

Where have you seen the “ birth registered “?

Added. I can only see in the indexes a 1905 marriage

And a 1929 death age 60. MMN McGuire


Transcript of the marriage (Catholic) is on FindMyPast
Husband Patrick James Lavery
Father  Owen Maguire. ** but see below.
Mother Mary Maguire


Modified to add, finally got the PR on FindMyPast to load. it is the church register.  The way it is written is a bit  confusing, but Looking at the other entries I think it might actually be saying Owen Haren and Mary Maguire for the parents. The fathers' surnames being assumed.

If you think this is your lady you should buy the civil registration from Scotland's people for clarity

[Neale1961]

I dont have Access To Scotlands People

Everyone can access Scotlands People. https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Have Seen her birth registered 15 September 1854

If before 1855 (civil registration), then the record can only be a church baptism. There is no such record on Scotlands People. I can see this date attached to public tree on Anc*, but no supporting document. Is this where you “have seen her birth”?

Following on from posy by mckha489

1891 census Cadder Lanarkshire
Owen HARRON born abt 1850 Ireland, iron Miner
Mary HARRON (nee Mcgirr) brn abt 1858 Paisley Scotland
Mary Ann born abt 1883 Govan
Daniel born abt 1885 Paisley
Agnes born abt 1887 Maryhill
Joseph born March 1891 Cadder

Owen Haron died 31 Jan 1897 in a mining accident AT Summerlee & Mossend Iron and Steel Lanark.
While Charging A Shot With Frozen Gelignite the Charge Went Off, Killing 2.

Mary and children are together in the 1901 census in Bothwell.
Birth registration available from SP
HARRON   AGNES   Motehr: MCGIRR   
F   1886   622 / 1 / 647   MARYHILL

Catholic Baptism available from SP
HARRON   AGNES   
parents: OWEN HARRON / MARY MCGERR   
FEMALE   28/8/1886        16/9/1886   
GLASGOW, IMMACULATE CONCEPTION

Birth registration available from SP
HARRON   AGNES   Motehr: MCGIRR   
F   1886   622 / 1 / 647   MARYHILL


Susan Agnes HAREN married 1905 St Rollox to Patrick James LAVERY. A daughter – Veronica
Susan Agnes died 29 march 1929 Glasgow, age 60.
The marriage certificate will give you her parents' names.

[Annette7]

Birthdates for Susan Agnes Haren do not add up!!!

1854 birthdate clearly wrong - she'd have been 51 when daughter born.   I don't think so.

Marriage in 1905 and death in 1929 both give a birthdate circa 1869.

Owen Haren and Mary McGuire married 1878, some 9 years after Susan Agnes Haren claims to have been born.   Their daughter Agnes referred in post above in census, etc. was born 1886 so how does this equate to Susan being 36 when she married rather than 19!!!!!!

None of this makes sense.

Annette

[Neale1961]

…..
so how does this equate to Susan being 36 when she married ……

Where does being 36 when she married come from?

[mckha489]

1921 index has her as 50.
That’s more or less consistent with age at death.


Wonder if we should be looking for a birth like this one

MCGUIRE
SUSAN
MCGUIRE
F
1868
644 / 10 / 2182
HUTCHESONTOWN

[Annette7]

…..
so how does this equate to Susan being 36 when she married ……

Where does being 36 when she married come from?

From viewing her marriage certificate on SP.

Annette

[Neale1961]

…..
so how does this equate to Susan being 36 when she married ……

Where does being 36 when she married come from?

From viewing her marriage certificate on SP.

Annette

Well, then the parents names will be documented.

[Forfarian]

Wonder if we should be looking for a birth like this one
MCGUIRE
SUSAN
MCGUIRE
F
1868
644 / 10 / 2182
HUTCHESONTOWN

According to the IGI that one's parents were Thadeus McGuire and Margaret McGuire.