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Re: ag labs
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 07 May 23 13:24 BST (UK) »
During lambing times and spring harvests, a single ag lab may have met a single woman while working 40 or 50 miles from where he usually worked, and took her back to where he usually lived.

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LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 07 May 23 14:03 BST (UK) »
It would seem then, from some of the above, that a comparison of the actual date of the decennial census with the time of the farming year might be required to enable a sensible guess.
Young, Gameson, Miles, Williamson, Cramond

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 07 May 23 15:54 BST (UK) »
By the 1840s trains were becoming more popular so some ag labs probably travelled on trains to help out at other farms a distance away. Not sure how expensive they were though back then.
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 May 23 16:01 BST (UK) »
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
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Re: ag labs
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 May 23 16:09 BST (UK) »
I was also told by a historian that indoor staff were recruited a good distance from the location where they would be working - so they couldn't just "up and leave".  The attached is the 1871 census entry for Oulton Hall staff in Little Budworth, Cheshire.  The only local person was the Usher who was born in Tarporley, just a few miles away.



Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
Kendall - WRY
Milner - WRY
Appleyard - WRY

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 May 23 16:22 BST (UK) »
And the 1901 for the same property -

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 May 23 16:34 BST (UK) »
During lambing times and spring harvests, a single ag lab may have met a single woman while working 40 or 50 miles from where he usually worked, and took her back to where he usually lived.

I have found when that happens, the bride will return to her mother's home for the birth of her first baby.  The babies that follow are usually born in the area where the father works.
Aberdeen: Findlay-Shirras,McCarthy: MidLothian: Mason,Telford,Darling,Cruikshanks,Bennett,Sime, Bell: Lanarks:Crum, Brown, MacKenzie,Cameron, Glen, Millar; Ross: Urray:Mackenzie:  Moray: Findlay; Marshall/Marischell: Perthshire: Brown Ferguson: Wales: McCarthy, Thomas: England: Almond, Askin, Dodson, Well(es). Harrison, Maw, McCarthy, Munford, Pye, Shearing, Smith, Smythe, Speight, Strike, Wallis/Wallace, Ward, Wells;Germany: Flamme,Ehlers, Bielstein, Germer, Mohlm, Reupke

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 May 23 16:54 BST (UK) »
I was also told by a historian that indoor staff were recruited a good distance from the location where they would be working - so they couldn't just "up and leave".  The attached is the 1871 census entry for Oulton Hall staff in Little Budworth, Cheshire.  The only local person was the Usher who was born in Tarporley, just a few miles away.

Yes that was true, my great gran from Oxford worked in service in Bexhill, Sussex in the 1911 census. Several train rides from Oxford away. Although she lived in a Hackney convent for a while beforehand as she train for domestic service.

My ag lab ancestor was had up in 1886 for not providing enough for his wife and children and he said he had to "go away to find work".


Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: ag labs
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 May 23 17:25 BST (UK) »
I can understand the long moves of people 'in service', like my grandmother from Perthshire being employed in Kensington, and my grandfather, from Norfolk, a groom with horses, being in Cornwall in one census; it's the ag labs that puzzle me, that is, ones who continue as ag labs but miles away - though there are clues to follow up in what is written above.
Young, Gameson, Miles, Williamson, Cramond