"Bis Facta" within marriage record

[ParryTree98]

Hi there,

I'm viewing a record of marriage between a Mary Lalor and Thomas Finn from 1906, with bis facta in the denuntiationes column.

Google translate indicates this means "done twice", however being Irish catholic I doubt this is a second marriage situation. Moreover, they birthed and baptised a child (Catherine/Kathleen Finn) in 1902 - 4 years prior to the marriage. Again, I don't see them having a child out of wedlock given their religion.

Could anyone shed light on this?

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

Google translate indicates this means "done twice", however being Irish catholic I doubt this is a second marriage situation. Moreover, they birthed and baptised a child (Catherine/Kathleen Finn) in 1902 - 4 years prior to the marriage. Again, I don't see them having a child out of wedlock given their religion.

https://translate.google.com/?sl=la&tl=en&text=facta%20bis&op=translate&hl=en

Their first marriage on 27 May 1901 - St Fintans? RC Church, Mountrath
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1901/10311/5753578.pdf

Can you post a link to their second marriage in 1906?

First two children-

Mary Finn born Maryboro - 3 June 1901
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01953/1754142.pdf

Katie Finn born Maryborough - 30 November 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01888/1734175.pdf

1911 census
House 9 in Thomas's Court (Mountrath, Queen's Co.).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Queen_s_Co_/Mountrath/Thomas_s_Court/795213/

[heywood]

I can see the page on Ancestry. Most entries have ‘Bis facta’ or ‘Disp’ so I would guess that it means the banns were read/made twice 

Anc. Shows the year as 1906 but the record clearly shows 1901 at the top of the page.
It looks as though the second pages of the records are mixed up and 1906 does follow on.
If you check the details on the second page - the witnesses and dates are wrong.

Unfortunately, the date is too late to show in the records on catholic NLI .
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0718

[heywood]

Welcome to Rootschat - sorry I forgot that in my post.

If you are viewing through Ancestry, you need to scroll back a few pages and eventually your continuing page is shown.
The records are in a bit of a mess.
For example if you search for this marriage:
William Moylan and Elizabeth Carty, 11th June 1901 , Mountrath, this is wrong.
The page shows 1894 at the top. The continuing page - with witnesses etc has no year at the top, but changes to 1901 further down, and the 3rd entry from the bottom is yours:
May 27th - witnesses James Delaney and Sarah Hogan. 

I hope all this makes sense 

[GR2]

Denuntiationes means proclamations of banns. It was done on two occasions.

[ParryTree98]

Thank you all for your responses, this has been really helpful!

[dublin1850]

I see their two children who were no longer living in 1911 were twin boys who both died at 4 days old. How terribly sad.

On the 'bis facta' I think it just means the banns were read only twice (rather than the full three times). Most of the other marriages are the same if you look a few pages either side., though there is one 'una publicatio'.