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« on: Monday 08 May 23 15:38 BST (UK) »
Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland  his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
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Re: Lost
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 May 23 16:11 BST (UK) »
Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland  his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
Thankyou

Religion? When and where did Joseph marry? Do you have Joseph in any census records to determine approx. age and place of birth?
The DNA estimate of ethnicity is just that- an estimate- and depending on the company the results can be adjusted from time to time. There was a constant movement of people between Ulster and Scotland over the years so impossible to say that your 66% Scottish indicates that Joseph did or didn't come from Scotland.
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 May 23 19:59 BST (UK) »
I think Joseph died in the 1880s there was no cencus records in Ireland before 1901 due to civil strife

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 May 23 20:19 BST (UK) »
One of the sites calculates that I am 0% Irish even though all 16 of my gg grandparents were born in Ireland.  As I understand it, it depends what snapshot they are using as a reference point.  So if they're modelling the average DNA profile from 500 years ago then yes, probably most of my ancestors did come from outside Ireland at that time.

If your Joseph Campbell died before 1901 then you're unlikely to find a surviving record which explicitly says where he was born.  I think your best bet is to find his marriage and work back from there.  If Thomas was born in 1860, it is very likely his parents married after 1845, so if they were Protestants you should find their marriage in the Civil Registrations. 

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

You may need some more background information to be sure you have the right couple though.


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« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 May 23 21:01 BST (UK) »
Would anyone know how i would find out if my great grandfather came to Ireland from scotland  his name was Joseph Campbell his son Thomas Campbell was born around 1860 in Ballymccarott in east Belfast but cant find Josephs birth
My D N A says im 66% Sotch my Mothers side of the tree wnere all born in and around Belfast
Thankyou

Where do you have the record which shows Ballymccarott?
There is this marriage for Joseph Campbell of Ballymacarett. His spouse is Margaret Watson. He is a Custom House Officer.
Does that match your records?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09504/5444689.pdf

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 May 23 21:11 BST (UK) »
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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 08:23 BST (UK) »
I think Joseph died in the 1880s there was no cencus records in Ireland before 1901 due to civil strife
Incorrect- you were given this link by Kiltaglassan in reply #19 in previous topic.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html
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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 May 23 08:33 BST (UK) »
Possible death for Joseph? 1885 age 54 (born c1831) in Belfast Workhouse, occupation is clerk.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1885/06301/4806109.pdf

Several newspapers carried a death notice but no residence given although name given as Joseph W. Campbell.
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 May 23 17:40 BST (UK) »
Ballymacarrett does not contain an O as in the root vegetable, can be spelt with one or two T's (2 is the norm on official maps from 1900 but one on 1840's maps).
https://townlandsofulster.com/2015/04/29/ballymacarrett/
https://www.belfastentries.com/places/ballymacarrett/
https://www.logainm.ie/en/66183