Gardiner/Gardner Or Finney

[sjgrace53]

Ok, this is a bit confusing!   

I have Martha Bingham Marry Robert Gardiner looking at the Marriage certificate
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11015/8027624.pdf

Father Thomas Finney /Feeny


I Have then found the Birth of a Unknown Female Gardiner/Finney Daughter of Robert and Martha

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02752/2011194.pdf

I can not find what happens next she does not appear in the 1901 census and can not find a death does anyone have any ideas ?

I have found they have 2 more boys both died young and another daughter called Annie who I believe Samuel Taggart. 
Any ideas would be really appreciated   

[aghadowey]

Where was the family in 1901 and 1911? 1911 census asked married women how many years married, how many children and how many children living.

[gaffy]

For information, you haven't mentioned this child, Martha Gardner Finney who died 3 days after birth:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02087/1795966.pdf

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1898/05833/4651795.pdf

https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=7733.8025

[sjgrace53]

Hi they were living in
Rea hill
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Carrickfergus_Rural/West_Division/992121/

In 1911

they had moved to  Belfast are
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Court_Ward/Joseph_Street/149076/

does say 4 children 1 living  but can not find the death
in 1917 Robert Died -


They had James Gardner  22 March  1892  Died  31 Oct 1892  in Belfast and Buried in Belfast city public Cemetery

Thomas Hugh Bingham Gardner Born June 1895 and Died 26 Oct 1985  Belfast Buried in Belfast

[gaffy]

Robert died in 1926 with the same address as the 1911 census:

https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=8019.9601

[sjgrace53]

Oh Amazing thanks so much another bit of the puzzle with this family !

Just the daughter - so sad they lost 3 out 4  children - I have noticed this so may times in the family tree during this time period

[gaffy]

The 1911 census numbers (4 Born, 1 Living) don't add up... If I'm reading you right:

- Unknown b.1883 presumed died early - death maybe not registered if shortly after birth;
- James b.1892 d.1892;
- Thomas b. 1895 d.1895;
- Martha b.1898 died 1898;
- Annie the 9 year old in the 1911 census.

So provisionally 5 Born, 1 Living... have you found Annie's birth, is she definitely their biological daughter?

[sjgrace53]

Hi I have not found a birth certificate as yet for Annie
but I have found a marriage certificate for her on GRNO NI and it show father as Robert Gardiner as deceased 

the other confusing thing I have just come across is Annie Mums death ( Martha ) is on find a grave I asked for a photo and this has been fill today and the head stone reads TODD but the script underneath reads

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/245991884/martha-gardiner


oh my days !

[gaffy]

Hi I have not found a birth certificate as yet for Annie

If you don't find one and given the circumstances of all the previous births, you may have to consider the possibility that she wasn't their born daughter.