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Ormerod of Cliviger, Burnley.
« on: Thursday 11 May 23 15:24 BST (UK) »
I am researching Wike, back to Openshaw back to Ormerod of Cliviger, Burnley, Lancashire. I am seeking help from any Ormerod contributor who has gone back to Peter Ormerod of Ormerod 1588.
There is much conflicting information on various family trees of the Ormerod Clan of Burnley and, later, Bury. This might in part be due to differing information on early published material, in particular Lord’s Bygone Bury and  Burke’s Genealogical Dictionary.  I would probably come down in favour of the former: he was a Bury man and clearly knew the families, and what is more, he published his work in a series in the Bury Times, and if he had been wrong, this would probably have brought local challenges. Nevertheless, I cannot find source evidence for some of his assertions.
Can anyone who is well informed please direct me to primary evidence source so that I can resolve any of the following queries.
PETER ORMEROD of Ormerod 1588, Born 1588 to Lawrence Ormerod & Elizabeth Barcrofte. [John Lord’s “Bygone Bury”]
Was Peter’s Marriage 1609 to Joanna Howarth, daughter of George, of Monton ["Omerod of Tyldesley & Sedbury," (Burke, 1868, p. 1130)] …OR  to Jennett Howarth, daughter of John of Monton  [John Lord’s “Bygone Bury”]
GEORGE ORMEROD 1620 , son of Peter
What record is there of Gerge’s marriage 1669 to Anne Pilling (who came from Eccles [John Lord’s “Bygone Bury”]).
Is there any evidence of Anne’s birth?
OLIVER ORMEROD  1672 son of George.  One source states born in Lancaster, bapt’d 1673.
Was  Oliver’s marriage 1704 to Ann, dtr of Charles Howarth of Chatterton Hey at Tottington. [“Ormerod of Tyldesley & Sedbury," (Burke, 1868, p. 1130)] … OR to Ailces Howorth at Bury [England Marriages, MyHeritage] .  Alice was daughter of Charles Howarth & Margaret Key of Tottington [John Lord’s “Bygone Bury”]
Geo. died at Eccles in 1696, his occupation having been “Merchant”.

ELIZABETH ORMEROD  1706  dtr of Oliver Ormerod
…who married Jon Openshaw in 1728.
Was Eliz’s mother Anne or Alice?
HOLLINSHED, BRADY of Orford, Suffolk, Essex, Woolley, Stockport & London; THURSTON, SYER, CRABBE, ALLDIS, RIPPER, BATTALAY, BATELL. CHANDLER of Suffolk; PARR, &LAKE & LONG, Essex; WIKE, of Bury, London & Canterbury; OPENSHAW, ORMEROD of Bury, Lancs; BROTHERSON of St. Croix; MANGNALL & CUNLIFFE of Stockport; BEECH of Broughton; BARNETT, INGRAM of Lincs & Cambs; BRODIE/BRADY  North East Scotland; PAGE, GRAY, McKENZIE, McDOWELL, HOLT & MARTIN N.Ireland

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Re: Ormerod of Cliviger, Burnley.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 May 23 17:39 BST (UK) »
not all trees are correct - have a look at this one
Peter Edward Ormerod
Born 15 November 1588 - St Peters, Burnley, Lancashire, England
Deceased 16 October 1653 - Ormerod, Burnley, Lancashire, England, aged 64 years old
 
Parents
Lawrence ORMEROD 1564-1614
Elizabeth BARCROFTE 1567-ca 1622
 
Spouses and children
Married (18 Jan 1609/10), Eccles, Lancashire, England, to Johanna Howarth 1588-1621 with
children
F Elizabeth Ormerod 1614-1654
M Peter Ormerod 1618-
M George Ormerod 1620-
Married 15 October 1604, Burnley, Lancashire, England, to Susan Whitehead ? 1582-
Married 18 February 1622, St Bartholomew's, Colne, Lancashire, England, to Margaret Hartley ca 1588-1676 with
M George Ormerod 1612-1642
M John Ormerod 1615-1641
F Alice Ormerod 1616-1654
M Peter Ormerod 1618-1666
M George Ormerod 1620-1696
M Lawrence Ormerod 1623-1673
M William Peter Ormerod 1623-1673
M William Ormerod 1623-1673
M William Ormeroyd 1623-1708
M Oliver Ormerod 1625-ca 1708
M James Ormerod 1627-1628
F Ellen Ormerod 1628-1678
F Grace Ormerod 1634-
M George Ormerod 1643-
THEN
NOT MARRIED - but 2 children to Jennet Howarth

F Ellen Ormerod 1628-1678
F Jennett Ormerode †1650
...................................
parents of Lawrence Ormerod and father of Elizabeth Barcrofte


Peter (Piers) ORMEROD ca 1535-1578       Agnes PEARSON †       Richard BARCROFTE   
..............
 Peter Piers OrmerodParents
Peter ORMEROD ca 1504-1578
Agnes HOLDSWORTH ca 1510-ca 1560

as you have stated - back to Peter born 1504 - all born Clivinger ,Burnley


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Re: Ormerod of Cliviger, Burnley.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 May 23 18:15 BST (UK) »
This really would turn John Lord's version its head!  But it's the difficulty to find evidence sources that is my difficulty and which must partly at least be the cause of all these "incorrect" trees. 
HOLLINSHED, BRADY of Orford, Suffolk, Essex, Woolley, Stockport & London; THURSTON, SYER, CRABBE, ALLDIS, RIPPER, BATTALAY, BATELL. CHANDLER of Suffolk; PARR, &LAKE & LONG, Essex; WIKE, of Bury, London & Canterbury; OPENSHAW, ORMEROD of Bury, Lancs; BROTHERSON of St. Croix; MANGNALL & CUNLIFFE of Stockport; BEECH of Broughton; BARNETT, INGRAM of Lincs & Cambs; BRODIE/BRADY  North East Scotland; PAGE, GRAY, McKENZIE, McDOWELL, HOLT & MARTIN N.Ireland