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[hanes teulu]

The '41 Census has Samuel Garrett, Martha + family (inc John) in Cardiff - Samuel's occpn. platelayer. The '51 Census has them in Newport - minus John. Again, Samuel is a platelayer.

I wondered if the Samuel Garrett in this article might be "your" Samuel (column 4)?
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3089342/3089345/31/%22samuel%20garrett%22

Around this time there was a Samuel Garratt, Contractor, with extensive rail/pit interests in the area. Bankrupted 1854. I don't think the Samuel in the article is that Samuel, contractor. But interesting to note that by 1869 (John's marriage) he describes Samuel as a contractor.

Just to add to Maddy's comment - the John that married Elizabeth Corkill (1848) is NOT the John, widower, that married Elizabeth Kennish (1869).

[hanes teulu]

Given that John Garrett (soon to be "engine driver") was in Cardiff on the '41 Census I wondered if any vital events had occurred in the Principality under that name -

Marriage Registration
John Garrett, Dec qtr 1846, Cardiff, 26  614 - on the same page Martha Day, Eliza Thomas, Mary Sullivan, Ann Phillips

Birth Registration
Mary Garrett, Dec qtr 1847, Cardiff, 36 340 - mother's maiden name Thomas

FindMyPast Baptism (image/transcript)
14 Nov 1847, Mary, dau. of John and Eliza Garrett, abode Newtown, place of baptism Saint Mary the Virgin, Cardiff, father's occupation Engine Driver

[maddys52]

Well done  hanes teulu, that looks promising. I had a quick look yesterday for Mary Jane GARRETT, but without further information from Tony I was hesitant to continue. 

[hanes teulu]

The search is hampered by John crossing the sea to Ireland. Did Eliza die this side of the Irish sea? I've yet to spot the family in the '51 Census.

Civil registration (certain marriage apart) kicked off in 1864. I've checked Irishgen deaths '64-'69 for Eliza without success.
Found a marriage for a Mary Jane Garrett, 11 Dec 1871, Dublin south, father John Garrett, engine driver. Her age given as "minor" ie born c.1853-1855. This is confirmed by the 1901 Census - age given as "47, born County Dublin". This pre-dates civil registration but helps the timeline re. John arriving in Ireland?

[Kiltaglassan]

Found a marriage for a Mary Jane Garrett, 11 Dec 1871, Dublin south, father John Garrett, engine driver. Her age given as "minor" ie born c.1853-1855.

She could have been 20 yrs, so born c1851.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11362/8171371.pdf

Note that the two witnesses were George Garrett and Elizabeth Garrett (brother/sister?).

[hanes teulu]

Found a marriage for a Mary Jane Garrett, 11 Dec 1871, Dublin south, father John Garrett, engine driver. Her age given as "minor" ie born c.1853-1855.

She could have been 20 yrs, so born c1851.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11362/8171371.pdf

Note that the two witnesses were George Garrett and Elizabeth Garrett (brother/sister?).

Agreed - puzzled why I calculated a 3yr spread (16-18) not 5yr - or was it my mental arithmetic!.

Have been looking for a possible newspaper sighting of John in Ireland. Found an 1869 likely item but nowt earlier.

John married 1869 and had a son a year later. Mary Jane born pre. 1869 marriage - possibly daughter of "Elizabeth Kennish/Joaghin, widow" rather than John? John had a daughter Mary, born Cardiff (1846 marr cert to confirm definitely son of Samuel but looks good without it). Have seen 1st given name repeated on a later birth, and earlier birth still alive,  but with a second given name. But this is rare.
If Mary Jane is Elizabeth Kennish's daughter, the timeline for John "engine driver" in Ireland changes. Mary Jane recorded as RC on the 1901 Census so Catholic parish registers might deliver?

[anpefa1]

reply to MADDYS52,
mary jane garrett born 4/12/1853 inchicore dublin, father john mother eliza
 
the 1901 census shows emily joughin stepdaughter with john & elizabeth dublin

emily florence joughin, born 22/06/1866 dublin  is the daughter of james joughin & elizabeth kennish

james joughin died 07/04/1866

mary jane married 11/12/1873 dublin father john engine driver witnessed by george & elizabeth garrett.

inchicore was the main hub of the irish railway works.

T.

[anpefa1]

reply to carolw
there are no census records for 1851/61, records were destroyed during the bombing of Custom House in the Rising and what remained was moved to the Four Courts, these records were destroyed in the Civil War
given that Mary was born in Dublin in 1853 then it's safe to assume that John & Elizabeth were in Dublin 1851
Inchicore was the hub of the Irish railway ergo his employment as an engine driver
the 1901 English census shows John as a retired railway servant  born in Buckinghamshire.  T 

[anpefa1]

carolw
should read Irish census 1901