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Scoonie Marriage 1740
« on: Monday 15 May 23 01:42 BST (UK) »
Can someone help me re the Parents of John Campbell married16th May 1740 at Scoonie.
Bride: Ann (Anna) Balfour whose Father may be David.
See attached from Scotlands people.
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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 May 23 09:35 BST (UK) »
I assume you have not looked at the original record on ScotlandsPeople.

What you have here is a summary, rather than a transcript, and you'd have to look at the original to be sure what information is given.

They say the date given is for the "Banns". However, you can get up to five dates in a marriage record: the date the couple indicated to the session clerk that they intended to marry (where one date is given, it is usually this), the three dates when the banns were read (unless there was a dispensation to have them read on one day or on two days only), and finally, the date of the marriage itself.

The original record should make it clear whether the prospective bride and groom come from the same parish or different one.

It is not usual to find parents' names on a marriage record in a Scottish parish register, but fathers' names are occasionally found, especially for the bride.

The couple had to "consign pledges" when they stated their intent to marry. This was a sum of money each which was returned after the wedding took place, if there were no scandal attached to it. The alternative to handing over actual money was to name cautioners, a person for the prospective groom and one for the prospective bride, who would pay on their behalf if there were any scandal or if the wedding did not take place within forty days. If cautioners are named in the original record, they may be relatives.

If the original marriage record does not give any clue about parentage, the next thing to do is look at the records for the baptisms of any children. The names of the children and the names of witnesses can be useful in determining relationships.

Should the first child be baptised within nine months of the marriage, you should then check the minutes of the kirk session for any investigation. This can throw up further information.

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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 May 23 11:32 BST (UK) »
I note the marriage on SP but I do not see any children born in Scotland to that couple, there are OPR death records in Scoonie but no Campbell’s 1740 – 1800. There are possible births/baptisms for both in Fife but none in Scoonie.

JOHN CAMPBELL   MARRIED   ANN BALFOUR   16/05/1740   SCOONIE

Colin

Correction to follow.
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 May 23 11:43 BST (UK) »
JOHN CAMBEL/ANNA BALFOUR – CHILDREN -  DYSART, FIFE

CAMBEL   DAVID   M   04/04/1741
CAMBLE   ANNA   F   25/12/1744
CAMBLE   JANET   F   01/05/1747
CAMBLE   GRISSEL   F   19/02/1749
CAMBLE   JOHN   M   26/05/1750

Also but could be an error?
CAMBLE   JANET   JOHN CAMBLE/MARGARET BALFOUR   F   17/04/1743

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 May 23 11:49 BST (UK) »
Based on their children’s names records below might be worth following up.

CAMPBEL   JOHN   DAVID CAMPBEL/GRISSALL DALL   15/06/1712   MARKINCH

BALFOUR   ANNA   DAVID BALFOUR/JANNET WALLACE   11/10/1712   KENNOWAY

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 02:16 BST (UK) »
Hi GR2,
Thanks for your very educational reply very interesting to read.
Will check the Kirk sessions as mentioned in your last paragraph.
Regards
clancam37
I assume you have not looked at the original record on ScotlandsPeople.

What you have here is a summary, rather than a transcript, and you'd have to look at the original to be sure what information is given.

They say the date given is for the "Banns". However, you can get up to five dates in a marriage record: the date the couple indicated to the session clerk that they intended to marry (where one date is given, it is usually this), the three dates when the banns were read (unless there was a dispensation to have them read on one day or on two days only), and finally, the date of the marriage itself.

The original record should make it clear whether the prospective bride and groom come from the same parish or different one.

It is not usual to find parents' names on a marriage record in a Scottish parish register, but fathers' names are occasionally found, especially for the bride.

The couple had to "consign pledges" when they stated their intent to marry. This was a sum of money each which was returned after the wedding took place, if there were no scandal attached to it. The alternative to handing over actual money was to name cautioners, a person for the prospective groom and one for the prospective bride, who would pay on their behalf if there were any scandal or if the wedding did not take place within forty days. If cautioners are named in the original record, they may be relatives.

If the original marriage record does not give any clue about parentage, the next thing to do is look at the records for the baptisms of any children. The names of the children and the names of witnesses can be useful in determining relationships.

Should the first child be baptised within nine months of the marriage, you should then check the minutes of the kirk session for any investigation. This can throw up further information.

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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 02:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Colin,
Thanks for your three replies, much appreciated.
Will follow the marriages you quote below.
An Anna Balfour  was born 7 Oct 1712 to David Balfour and Jannet Wallace resident at Scoony (written as Scoony) reference FindMyPast, and the Kirk Sessions as suggested by GR2.
Regards
Barry
Based on their children’s names records below might be worth following up.

CAMPBEL   JOHN   DAVID CAMPBEL/GRISSALL DALL   15/06/1712   MARKINCH

BALFOUR   ANNA   DAVID BALFOUR/JANNET WALLACE   11/10/1712   KENNOWAY

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Re: Scoonie Marriage 1740
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 02:32 BST (UK) »
HI Colin,
These would be Births/Baptisms  not marriages.
My mistake
clancam37
Based on their children’s names records below might be worth following up.

CAMPBEL   JOHN   DAVID CAMPBEL/GRISSALL DALL   15/06/1712   MARKINCH

BALFOUR   ANNA   DAVID BALFOUR/JANNET WALLACE   11/10/1712   KENNOWAY

Colin