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Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« on: Monday 15 May 23 16:58 BST (UK) »
Irene Violet Unstead was a sister of a relatives's grandmother. Birth 3Q 1917, Bethnal Green RD, mmn Mead.

She appears to have married a Robert F Veal 2Q 1942 Hackney RD. I don't really want to buy a copy of the marriage to find out who his father was as she's not a direct line so trying to work out who he was in other ways.

There is a death of an Irene V Veal Eastbourne RD in 1985. The Probate index says she died 21st August 1985 and probate was granted 21 November that year, Brighton Registry, leaving £12,749. It says she was of 6 Hawthylands Crescent in Hailsham.

I am happy to buy a copy of the will but that isn't going to tell me who Robert F Veal was, other than potentially the name of her husband I think.

I'm not seeing any children for a Veal/Unstead marriage from 1942.

Looking for a Robert F Veal there are a surprising number of them and many of them are in the Hackney area. There are some Robert Fs and some Robert Francis'.

There is a death 4Q 1989 Eastbourne RD of a Robert Francis Veal - dob 20.12.1909 -  this looks very much like the husband, given the area, of Irene above.

There is a potential Robert Veal with parents Charles and Louisa at Pedro Street in both 1911 and 1921.

But the 1939 entry for a Robert Veal dob 20.12.1909 shows him as married and a Winifred E, also married. There is a marriage 4Q 1931 Hackney RD of a RF Veal to a Winifred E Munn but I've not found a death for her before the 1942 marriage.

However the 1939 entry - see attached - has Mann and Richards also associated with Winifred.

Also if Robert dies in 1989 and Violet in 1985 how come she's left £12,749 - one might have expected any property to have been in his or joint names.

Please can anyone see anything I've missed which would suggest that which Robert F Veal Irene's husband might be?

Thanks for looking.



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Re: Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« Reply #1 on: Monday 15 May 23 17:14 BST (UK) »
The probate for Robert Francis Veal in 1989 gives the same address as Irenes probate
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Re: Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« Reply #2 on: Monday 15 May 23 17:20 BST (UK) »
That 1939 entry is correct - probably a divorce  ;D

Winifred E Veal (nee Munn) married George H Richards in 1942.  She had married Robert Veal in 1931
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Re: Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« Reply #3 on: Monday 15 May 23 17:20 BST (UK) »
Suspect Robert & Winifred parted/divorced. Re 1939 "Richards"

Marriages Sep 1942 

Munn    Winifred E    Richards    Romford    4a   1667    
Richards    George H    Veal            Romford    4a   1667    
Richards    George H    Munn    Romford    4a   1667    
Veal    Winifred E    Richards    Romford    4a   1667

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Re: Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« Reply #4 on: Monday 15 May 23 17:38 BST (UK) »
Death for info only

1989

RICHARDS    WINIFRED EDITH    22OC1912    WALTHAM/F    15   552

day of birth slightly out.

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Re: Which Robert F Veal - early C20th London
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 16 May 23 08:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the info - I shall try and get the wills for Robert and Irene Veal.

So it looks like the Robert Veal with parents Charles and Louisa at Pedro Street in both 1911 and 1921 is our man.

Thanks again.
Gypsy DRAPERs, children of Billy and Mary - Ellen,Darnity,Spencer,Billy Jnr,Kisby,Ellick
Descendants of Fred and Esther (Garrett) WHITLOCK - Wavendon, Woburn Sands area
Descendants of George and Barbara (Willis) SUTTON - Earls Barton and Nether Heyford
BISSELL - Hanslope, New Bradwell, Bucks and Aston, Birmingham area
Lavinia DRAPER died 1840 Cranfield
Gypsies in the Bow Brickhill and Beds/Bucks border areas