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Help searching French records
« on: Tuesday 16 May 23 23:00 BST (UK) »
I’d be the first to admit I’m not great at searching French records, and would appreciate some help if possible.

I’m trying to find the births of 3 sisters.
Marie Marguerite, Antoinette Francoise, and Jeanne Catherine Rabaté. (Rabattez, etc.)

Their father was a Jean Rabaté, a cavalier, who was sent to the detachment at Montreuil sur Mer, Pas de Calais, about 1713, and after being wounded.
I have his entry in the Hotel des Invalides archives in Paris.
He came originally from Feuilaine, Aisne.
I’ve not found his birth there, (he would have been born about 1663. The Fieulaine registers don’t start until 1669), but there are entries for other members of his family in the registers.
I can’t find his marriage there, or anywhere else for that matter - it would have been about 1690.

Marie Marguerite Rabaté married in 1714; Jeanne Catherine in 1716, and Francoise Antoinette in 1723. All in Montreuil sur Mer. No ages given for them in the register.
Jeanne Catherine’s marriage states her mother was Catherine Lamie.

The sisters also all died  in Montreuil sur Mer.
Marie Marguerite in 1769 (no age given) ; Jeanne Catherine 1762 , ‘aged 69’ (born 1693), and Antoinette Francoise in 1751 ‘aged 51’ (born 1700).

To complicate matters, Jean Rabaté’s nom de guerre was Beauregard, and a couple of the early entries in the  Montreuil sur Mer registers give the sisters’ surnames as Beauregard, and then later on as Rabaté.

Can anybody find where they were born?
As he was in the French army, would his wife have moved around with him?
It’s hard to imagine her and three little children moving around with the army.
I haven’t been able to find out anything about her.
She must have died in Montreuil sur Mer, but I can’t find her on the listings.
Jean Rabaté died there in 1731.

Many thanks indeed.
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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 08:30 BST (UK) »
Do you know the names of the 3 sisters husbands - if you do could you post them please  :)

OK - I think I have fFound him ?
Jean Rabate dit Beauregard
sorry - it is in French - so we need a translator
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Reçu à l'hôtel le   23 Juin 1691
Acte   Jean Rabaté dit Beauregard, âgé de 28 ans, Natif de Fieulen [02310] prez St Quentin, Dragon du Sieur de Crequy, au Regiment de Sailly de dragons, ou il à Servi 3 ans, est Estropié de la main gauche d'un coup de mousquet quil reçeut à l'affaire de Briqueras [99127] en Piedmont, Le tout ainsi que porte son Certificat, et est Catôlique
- Cavallier
- Le 19 Avril 1708. Il est rentré au service en la Compagnie du Sieur de Pernot Regiment de Navarre
- Et le 14e septembre 1713 Il est de retour du service
- Le 29 juillet 1731. Il est Decedé a Montreüil [62588] au Detachement

Lieu déduit   Fieulaine; Bricherasio; Montreuil sur Mer.

Statut acte   Acte recopié en intégralité et vérifié
Présence de données complémentaires
Pour contacter l'ass. hoteldesinvalides.fr où nous adresser d'autres informations, toujours les bienvenues, sur un des pensionnaires cités dans la base : envoyer hoteldesinvalides@hoteldesinvalides.fr
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so if he was 28 in 1691 - I would say he was born 1663
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https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?country__0__=FRA&country__1__=&country__2__=&country__3__=&country__4__=&exact_day=&exact_month=&exact_year=&from=1660&go=1&ignore_each_patronyme=&ignore_each_prenom=&nom=rabate&page=3&place__0__=&place__1__=&place__2__=&place__3__=&place__4__=&prenom=jean&prenom_operateur=or&region__0__=&region__1__=&region__2__=&region__3__=&region__4__=&sexe=&size=10&subregion__0__=&subregion__1__=&subregion__2__=&subregion__3__=&subregion__4__=&to=1665&type_periode=between&zonegeo__0__=France&zonegeo__1__=&zonegeo__2__=&zonegeo__3__=&zonegeo__4__=
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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 09:00 BST (UK) »
Hello goldie61,
please give here the links of the  Rootschat posts concerning this Rabaté search so that nobody will search what has already been found.

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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 09:01 BST (UK) »
Marie Marguerite married Claude Bertolle 15.2 1714.
He was born in 1688 in Montreuil sur Mer.
Not found his death - some time between 1744 and 1747.

Jeanne Catherine  married 30.4.1716 Pierre Bascle. (His name is sometimes Lebascq + several other alternatives). He was also a soldier - presumably at the citadel in Montreuil sur Mer.

Francoise Antoinette Rabatez married 25.5.1723 Charles Dubreuil
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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 09:10 BST (UK) »
Yes Garstonite - that's his record at Hotel des Invalides.
This is the English translation.

As joger says, there has been some posts on here regarding him, especially back in Fieulaine - it might take me a while to find and post the links, but it is his daughters' births I'm trying to find.
I'm guessing they could be anywhere in France really.
The bio from the Hotel des Invalides doesn't really give many clues as to where he might have been between, say, 1690 and 1700. I don't expect he spent 17 years (from 1691, when he went into The Hotel des invalides), to 1708, (when he 'returned to service'), in hospital for an injury to his hand.

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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 09:22 BST (UK) »
Previous posts regarding Jean Rabate.

I'm not sure how helpful they will be to try and find the births of his 3 daughters really.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=869791.0
This one is  about trying to understand exactly the Hotel des Invalides information, and the name Rabate (and variants), in the Fieulaine registers.

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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #6 on: Friday 19 May 23 00:45 BST (UK) »
I've checked the other posts about Rabate joger, and they're mostly just about deciphering a word or two in parish register entries.

As there don't seem to be any records for this family in Montreuil sur Mer before 1714, or in the Fieulaine registers, I suppose it's possible Jean Rabate stayed in Paris after leaving the Hotel des Invalides, in which case it's probably going to be very difficult to find anything about them at all.

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Re: Help searching French records
« Reply #7 on: Friday 19 May 23 08:25 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid so . Keep searching now and then on Geneanet .

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 19 May 23 22:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks joger.
I'll do that.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs