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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 15:12 BST (UK) »
Looks like he refused the sureties so was imprisoned in January

The 1841 census was taken in June 1841 so Im confused as there is still a note on his record in July?
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 16:10 BST (UK) »
Going back to the original document, it reads rather like a record of correspondence received, with the names of the writers in the left hand margin and the gist of the letters in the main part. I'm not an expert in these things and I haven't seen the 1 Feb record, but I'm wondering if this is correct:

Quote from: cliffkinch on Wednesday 17 May 23 14:09 BST (UK)
Interesting that you have put "petition" as his wife Charlotte had petitioned for his release on 1st Feb 1841 so if it is petition, then "refusing" wouldnt make sense

Because if I'm right about the correspondence log, then it wouldn't really make sense. If this entry follows the pattern of the ones above, then it does seem to be saying that it's Charlotte who has refused the petition. What the petition was doesn't seem to be specified here - maybe for mercy, or for Charlotte to withdraw her complaint, or for her to stand surety - but she appears to have had the power to turn it down. But as I said, I'm not an expert.

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In the light of later posts, especially #15, I probably got this wrong.
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 17:45 BST (UK) »
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David Wengfield (as transcribed)
"43 10 David Wingfield Committed 18 Jan 1841 to Horsemonger Lane Jail for 6 months for want of sureties in breach of the Peace
The prisoner is sent to be enabled to find sureties and to be sorry for his offences
Feb 5
Too early?
Ans'd  12 Feb 1841"

Whichever, he didn't serve 6 months in "Chokey" if he was at home on 6 June when Census taken - sentenced 18 Jan.

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 22:43 BST (UK) »
The prisoner is said to be unable.....
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 May 23 23:20 BST (UK) »
Quote from: dublin1850 on Wednesday 17 May 23 22:43 BST (UK)
The prisoner is said to be unable.....

Diolch - makes sense.

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 18 May 23 01:05 BST (UK) »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Wednesday 17 May 23 23:20 BST (UK)
Quote from: dublin1850 on Wednesday 17 May 23 22:43 BST (UK)
The prisoner is said to be unable.....

Diolch - makes sense.

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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 18 May 23 08:15 BST (UK) »
David Wingfield was supposed to put up £50 in sureities as well as express penitence and I read it that he was unable to find the funds

And the pertition from his wife was for his release as he had expressed his sorrow for his actions and she was "truly miserable" 

Sorrow he may have had but it seems in 1844 he was back in court charged with her "Attempted Murder" upshot was ... £50 sureities and he walked out of court with Charlotte as she mitigated the charge again
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Re: Just cant make this out
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 18 May 23 09:21 BST (UK) »
A full report of the incident in the April 1844 newspaper. It seems Charlotte was certainly prepared to stand by her man, come what may.
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