Michael & Philip Brady / Terenure

[redbullmarky]

Hi all!
Hoping to get a little help/guidance here, as I've been tearing my hair out for a while now.

I'm trying to find a few details for Michael Brady (my 2nd or so great grandfather), and pretty much ANY details for his parents Philip and Mary.  The easiest place to start would be here, Michael's marriage details, where all parents are listed (Michael's father Philip is indicated "dead")

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/4f98151875360?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dmichael%26namel%3Dbrady%26location%3DDublin%2BSouth%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26type%3DM%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26century%3D%26decade%3D%26exact%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26ddPfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26mmPfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26yyPfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26ddPto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26mmPto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26yyPto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26locationP%3D%26keywordb%3D%26keywordm%3D%26keywordd%3D%26keywordp%3D%26event%3D%26district%3D
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633844#page/30/mode/1up
Moderator comment - link amended as requested (also see next post)


Other details for Michael I've deduced from various documents:

1891 (July) he's 18y 8 months, father is Philip. Regt 3268. This would put his birthdate around Nov 1872
UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920

1901 he's away in SA so absent from census

1903 his war documents don't give an age, but reconfirm father is Philip who is at this point in St Patricks house, South Circular Road - an elderly persons home.

1907 he gets married, listing his father Philip (died) and mother Mary. Details in the original link.

1911 (Apr) he's 39.
1914 (Sept) in further war documents, he's 41y 300 days - which also points to around November 1872.

All of the age clues suggest he's born in 1872, particularly towards the end (or maybe early 1873). Yet I cannot convincingly find any genuine birth records. The closest is near the end of 1871 but this somewhat contradicts the rest of the information somewhat.

He was a barber on Harold's Cross Road, as was his son Francis (b. 1914). It even gets mentioned here: https://www.haroldscross.org/harolds-cross-70-years-ago/

As for his father Philip, I can find an entry on the 1901 census for an 80 year old, where he's noted as an 'Inmate' of "From O'Connell Road to Valencia Circular Road South Side., Ushers Quay, Dublin, Ireland" which i presume is the elderly home mentioned above. He's listed as a widow, which threw me at first because on the marriage details for Michael (linked), he's deceased but his wife is not. So perhaps his first wife is still living at that point but he remarried?

So basically, I'm looking for any help/suggestions finding birth details for Michael, and basically ANY convincing details for his father Philip and mother Mary.

There are so many trees I've see on various sites that have much misinformation, so it would be great to finally get an accurate picture.

Can anybody help?
Please do let me know if I can give any further details not included above.

[QueenoftheWest]

The easiest place to start would be here, Michael's marriage details, where all parents are listed (Michael's father Philip is indicated "dead")

Welcome to RootsChat!

To start this off, I just want to include the marriage record where both his parents are listed, so others can see it, as you have included the civil registration certificate that only mentions the father and does not state that he is deceased:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633844#page/30/mode/1up

Queenie 

[QueenoftheWest]

1903 his war documents don't give an age, but reconfirm father is Philip who is at this point in St Patricks house, South Circular Road - an elderly persons home.

There is a death registration for a Philip Brady living at St. Patrick's House who died on 15th November 1903:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05647/4589479.pdf

He is listed as married, so the census entry may have an error.

Queenie 

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

1911 (Apr) he's 39.

1911 census
House 22 in Harold's Cross Road (Terenure, Dublin).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Terenure/Harold_s_Cross_Road/47141/

Married 4 years, 3 children born (1 daughter and 2 sons).


Edited to Add:

Your URL for the marriage record is extremely long - use the RootsChat ShrinkLink to shrink it (https://www.rootschat.com/links/).

[redbullmarky]

The easiest place to start would be here, Michael's marriage details, where all parents are listed (Michael's father Philip is indicated "dead")

Welcome to RootsChat!

To start this off, I just want to include the marriage record where both his parents are listed, so others can see it, as you have included the civil registration certificate that only mentions the father and does not state that he is deceased:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633844#page/30/mode/1up

Queenie 

My apologies, yes that’s the one I was referring to but posted the wrong link! The details of death certainly matches up! Thank you!

Thank you both for your posts. It’s the census details and war records for Michael that I’ve used to deduce his age. There are just so many Michael Brady’s that it’s tricky anyway, but none of the ones I have found add up. Michael’s marriage certificate even has Michael Brady as a witness! So perhaps a cousin.

It appears when I cross reference everything, Philip was born about 1921 in Wicklow. And with the above, I can maybe uncover some more.

But Michael’s birth details that match all of the other info eludes me, same for any details of his mother. Many other trees imply his mother was Catherine Reilly but I don’t believe this to be the case, even if the marriage document has an error (too many other missing details). But perhaps she was his fathers first wife.

Any info around those would be amazing.

[redbullmarky]

Unfortunately it doesn’t look like I can edit my original post to amend the (very) long link to a shorter and corrected one: https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633844#page/30/mode/1up

Perhaps a moderator could kindly do this?

[redbullmarky]

There is a death registration for a Philip Brady living at St. Patrick's House who died on 15th November 1903:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05647/4589479.pdf

He is listed as married, so the census entry may have an error.

What would be the most likely reason for the age discrepancy? In the 1901 census, he’s listed as 80 years old. The death registration is 2 and a bit years older but still has his age at 80. The latter I’m aware is rounded down (to last birthday) but this still leaves a bit of distance between the two. Is it just whatever is reported by the home? Is either likely to be accurate?

[heywood]

A witness to Michael’s marriage is also Michael Brady.
I have looked at a possible Michael here in 1901 - son of Michael and Rose/Rosanna Mellon
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathfarnham/Terenure/1283761/

His baptism - 30th September 1878 shows an address of Roundtown Quarries

The birth and baptism for Michael Brady son of Philip that you refer to as end of December 1871 has the same residence.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sb7/
The parents show as Philip and Mary Ann Lynam.

There is an earlier baptism in 1862 for a Michael with the same parents.

I wonder if Philip Brady and Michael Brady snr are siblings?

[QueenoftheWest]

Great research, heywood.

Queenie