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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 28 May 23 02:21 BST (UK) »
Just had to look up institute and it makes perfect sense, thanks Dianna

to start or cause a system, rule, legal action, etc. to exist:

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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 28 May 23 03:00 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Mr BARNARD is Edward BARNARD - Agent General for a number of Colonies eg:
https://researchdata.edu.au/copies-letters-colonial-agent-general/168310

There are quite a few hits on trove mentioning him, seems lots of voices not very approving of him or the position.

Will look for Mark PHILLIPS and Mr R. BOURKE.  :D

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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 28 May 23 03:16 BST (UK) »
"R. BOURKE" is probably Richard BOURKE, Governor of NSW 1831-1837
https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/bourke-sir-richard-1806

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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 28 May 23 03:21 BST (UK) »
I wonder if Mark PHILLIPS is the member for Manchester, elected in 1832.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Philips_(politician)

Would make sense with the Manchester connection.  :-\


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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 28 May 23 03:24 BST (UK) »
Thanks maddy.  Sounds right. So he wasn't answering the letters addressed to him by the looks of it.  I hope I find those letters one day if they were kept of course.

So does it makes sense that Sir George Grey took over from Bourke?? Hmm wonder was the enquiry ever answered.

There must have been no communication between Rosetta  to Michaels son William as he inherited all the property and money was sent to Rosetta via Dublin, maybe she never received her money then. 

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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 28 May 23 03:41 BST (UK) »
Regarding- the surname spelt with only one L in page one of the letter ......Philips.....

Do we take this to be simply a slip of the pen?

Sue

Ah, no. It is meant to be one L.Here he is retiring in 1847.with one L ;D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2972221
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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 28 May 23 07:52 BST (UK) »
A query.
I am assuming that this letter indicates that enquiries were being made in 1830s on Rosetta’s behalf or trying to trace her. Therefore, she might not have received anything in 1820s, or in Dublin at that time? Is that right?

There is an Upper Brook Street in Manchester. Is this the address of Mark Philips on the letter?

I think it seems increasingly likely that the Rosetta found in the marriage record and articles is the right one.

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FindMyPast has:
Rosetta Woodward in Greater Manchester Rate Books records 1841.
There are others for R Woodward in years around 1841.
It might be just the same as the one I mentioned earlier in Deansgate but you might want to check it.
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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 28 May 23 09:14 BST (UK) »
Hi heywood.
   That is interesting saying there is an Upper Brook Street in Manchester.  This is from the top of the letter and it was something else I could not quite make out, this makes sense now.

Stamped Received Aug 13th 1836.
Also/and copy to ? (for?) 15th August
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New S. Wales Received August 11th 1836 29 ?? UPPER FORT/BROOK street

There is no actual sign off or signature which you would expect from a letter though.  Just ends with the word MANCHESTER as part of Rosetta's address.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-991113274/view. For 1832

This is the first letter in respect of Rosetta trying to find information on her deceased brother and his estate BUT the letter is missing.

https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-993047026/view

This is the second letter from Rosetta trying to find Michael and his estate.  She must not have received any assistance with this I think.

Why the letters a MISSING I do not know??  I don't know if they still may be in the UK but I will try and find out.

All we are left with is the last letter from Mr. Mark Philips (from Manchester).  Rosetta must have thought that he may have been able to find out something for her.

There is no actual burial/death record for Michael!  I just assumed that his affairs where taken care of and she did receive her money/inheritance BUT looks unlikely perhaps.

You would have thought that she and other family members would have been sent a letter BUT if Michael did not have an accurate address this may have been the reason.

He knew where his brother was.  He was a publican at the Hampshire Hogg in Woolwich and pensioned from the Royal Marines, so there must have been some communications across the sea.

Regards Dianna

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Re: Rosetta WOODWORTH
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 28 May 23 09:22 BST (UK) »
Snips from Michaels Will 1827.

I give and bequeath to my best Beloved sister Rosetta Woodworth now residing in the City of Dublin the sum of 250 pounds which is to be remitted to her as soon as possible at farthest within the period of two years from the day of the date of this my last will and testament save and except that a part of this bequest and of the following be appropriated for pious purposes to with for obtaining the prayers of the Church for the repose of my soul either in England or Ireland on this Colony which I leave to the choice and discretion of my said executors as well as the parts or sums ? Which are to be so appropriated for those purposes out of those bequests.

 
I bequeath unto my dearly beloved brother William Byrne of Woolwich who keep the sign of the Hampshire Hog the sum of 100 pounds save only such part as may be abstracted for the purpose before mentioned and I devise to my beloved sister Eleanor who resides now in London the sum of 100 pounds excepting only a portion to be set aside for the purpose already specified.

The rest of his estate was left to the church and his son William.

So two things come to mind and that is the Monies promised to the family overseas never made it to them for one reason or another!!!

Thanks for your interest and help.  Just have to accept that her name was spelt incorrectly??? That is why the missing letter from her (or her representative) would have been great to have.  Regards Dianna