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Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« on: Tuesday 30 May 23 13:44 BST (UK) »
Felix Hanlon died in Liverpool 28 May 1854, age 57. There is a burial entry for him at St Anthonys RC, Scotland Rd , Liverpool on 30 May 1854.
This burial entry had no 'abode' so to be sure I had the right man Mrs Belt n Braces here ordered the pdf of his death register entry which arrived today.

The death was registered on 22 Jul 1854, almost 2 months after he died. If it had been registered by the Coroner (who could have authorised the burial without registration) then it would make sense to me, but the death was registered by his widow.

No doubt there is a logical explanation that is one of the many things I don't yet know about, so if anyone can help to explain I'd appreciate it.

thanks
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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 18:43 BST (UK) »
Took that long to identify him???? Took that long to find her????
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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 19:32 BST (UK) »
  Could she have not known about registering the death? Thought the burial register was all she needed?
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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 19:45 BST (UK) »
Disease of Liver Certified. Who certified the cause of death, was there a Post-mortem? Could there be a newspaper article?


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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 21:18 BST (UK) »
One of my ancestors death was registered by the coroner who conducted an inquest into my ancestor's death and then it was registered again five weeks later in a different town and county by one of the sons who alleged he was present at the death.

Both registrations contained errors, more so in the son's one.

The ancestor was buried before the coroner had registered the death.  This was in 1863.

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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 21:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the replies, I really appreciate the input.

medpat,
7 Temple St was their address in 1851. The col regarding the informant does say she was present at the death so I can't think that it was a delay in identifying him.

Top of the hill,
This was her second marriage, though it was her brother who registered hubby 1's death I am sure she'd know of the requirement.
I always understood that unless a death had been registered the burial could not take place
 (however, I do not know if that sort of ruling was in force in 1854) - unless there was to be an inquest and the Coroner gave permission for the body to be buried before the inquest was completed and in that case the Coroner would register the death.

Talacharn,
no idea about who certified the cause and I have failed to find anything in the old newspapers regarding this man.


artifis,
As I said, if the death had been registered by the Coroner then I could understand the reason for the delay. I can't find any other possible registration that could replicate the situation with your ancestor.


Thanks again to you all
Boo

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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 22:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Boo
Was Felix's death registered twice?
HANLIN, FELIX       
Age at Death (in years): 57 
GRO Reference: 1854  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 113

Hanlin also in the original GRO death index (attached)
Registered a second time to correct his surname?

There is a burial entry for him at St Anthonys RC, Scotland Rd , Liverpool on 30 May 1854.

This burial register for St. Anthony has him as Felix Hanlin.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6XT9-XFC

Rough book? May be Hanlon? :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-896L-R37W

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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 22:53 BST (UK) »
Hi jonw65

I think you may have cracked it.  (and am smacking my head as I got so hung up about the Coroner and permission to bury prior to registration)

There IS a separate registration on the GRO index for Felix HanlIn in Q2 1854, age 57 so possible to be a re-registration.
will order this register entry anyway. I'm so nosey and need things to add up that its worth the £7 reduction in the daughters' inheritance - which they don't actually need as they do ok without it :-)

really, really appreciate the help. Will report back when I get the pdf.

Boo

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Re: Death Registered 2 months later but not by Coroner?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 30 May 23 23:00 BST (UK) »
Gosh, sorry if I've caused you to part with another £7, Boo.
Yes, do please let us know how you get on with it.
Good luck.
Jon