Merchant Seaman Records for Frederick BENTLEY

[familydar]

Trying to work back a tree, I've found a potential distant rellie in the FindMyPast "Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857" dataset, series BT113/240 folio 98 and BT114/2 folios 94 & 95.  His name was Frederick BENTLEY and his birthplace was given as Lambeth.  I've never needed to look at these records before but my interpretation of his BT113 records is that he first went to sea as an apprentice in 1839 and the ticket number 4787769 was issued in 1850, apparently updated for 1851, 1852 and 1853.  There's a word in the remarks column, can someone who understands these records tell me what it says please?

His DoB is given as 2 Apr 1824.  How accurate is this likely to be?  I've found a possible bap at Streatham for an illegitimate child with the right name, and middle names that might point to a father, born 2 Apr 1829 to Amelia BENTLEY.  I don't know what became of his mother Amelia.  Might young Fred have gone to sea as an apprentice age 10?  If that was too young, is there anywhere I can check online to see if the date he first went to sea might have been later?

If I've joined the dots correctly, in 1850 he was a married man with at least three children.  If that would have exempted him from call-up then he's probably not my man.

Another point against it being my man is that the ticket was issued in London, whereas children's births suggest the family were in North Shields.  Connected by water of course.  And normal residence left blank might suggest the authorities ticketed him when he was away from home, in port.

I can't find Fred, wife Ann or children Ann, Amelia or Robert in the 1851 census.

There's also another Frederick BENTLEY born London with ticket number 92776, could this be the same man or did they definitely only ever get given one ticket number?  I've tried fiddling with the url but there doesn't seem to be any way to page forward or back through BT113 to track down the personal details of this man, so I've sent FindMyPast an email.  According to TNA this ticket number should be in BT113/47.  Any ideas anyone?

Jane :-)

[Kay99]

Is this Elizabeth nee Stout wife of Frederick and children in 1851?   Living with parents in North  Shields and all born there

Timothy Stout 50    Head  Tailor
Mary Stout 42    Wife
Elizabeth Stout 25    Daughter
Amelia Stout    3    Daughter
Mary Stout 3 Daughter
Robert Stout 1    Son
Mary Brown 17    Servant

Kay

[Daisypetal]

Hi,

If this is the right marriage,


9 Nov 1847
Wallsend, Northumberland
Frederick Bentley
Single
Father:  Frederick BENTLEY
Elizabeth STOUT
Single
Father:  Timothy STOUT
 
then I think Elizabeth and the children are living with her parents in 1851 using her maiden name rather than her married name,


1851  North Shields, Northumberland
Clive St, Elders Quay

Timothy STOUT    Head    Mar    50    Tailor    North Shields (dittoed from above entry)
Mary           "           Wife    Mar    42                       "        "
Elizabeth    "          Daur               25                        "        "
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Amelia STOUT      Daur               3                   Shields, Northumberland
Mary        "             Daur               3                             "         "
Robert     "              Son                1m                          "          "
Mary BROWN    Servant    U    17    Servant               "         "


It is the same road that Frederick and Elizabeth BENTLEY are living in in 1861.


Regards,
Daisy


Snap Kay 

[Kay99]

  

[familydar]

Good spot Daisypetal, I was browsing Elders Quay earlier this afternoon and couldn't see them for looking 🙄.  So Fred probably away at sea.

Jane :-)

[amondg]

Get a copy of the marriage certificate it will give his fathers name, if he knew it or he may have made one up.

1861 he says he was born Lambeth, the baptism you found has mother Amelia, the twins are Amelia and Ann 1848.

Note: Ann was actually baptized as Mary re transcription 30 July 1848 but was always Ann/Anna on census records.

Is Amelia for his mother and Ann/ Mary for her mother?

ADDED
Timothy Stout married Mary Chisholm 2 January 1826 and Ann/Mary was registered as Ann Chisholm Bentley

[familydar]

amondg, those were my thought processes too.  That said Amelia does seem to have been a popular name at the time.

Freereg marriage transcript has supposed father Frederick Bentley, a solicitor (reply #3).  Whilst it's possible the freereg transcript is wrong, it's equally possible that the father's name and occ is an invention and purchase of the cert wouldn't get me any further forward.

If he was bap Lambeth around 1824, to fit with merchant seaman record, it wasn't at St John unless particularly badly recorded or transcribed (registers are on Ancestry).

Any takers on my merchant seaman questions?

Jane :-)