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Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« on: Saturday 10 June 23 00:21 BST (UK) »
I could do with some assistance, please.
My great-grandfather was John Archibald Evans who was born on 7 April 1898 in Senghenydd, officially speaking the son of David and Elizabeth (Thomas) Evans. However, there are some suspicions that my grandmother had (it's a long story) about his mother's side. I wanted to double-check on the birth certificates if 'Thomas' indeed comes up as his mother's maiden name.

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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 10 June 23 00:34 BST (UK) »
From www.freebmd.org.uk

Births Jun qtr 1898   
John Archibald Evans   Pontypridd 11a   505

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    Name:                                Mother's Maiden Surname:
   EVANS, JOHN  ARCHIBALD      THOMAS     
GRO Reference: 1898  J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 505
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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 10 June 23 00:48 BST (UK) »
1901 census - all b Aberdare except where shown otherwise

David Evans 44     coal miner
Elizabeth 41    b England - 1891 shows Aberdare
Mary 16    
Thomas Edwards Evans 13    
Nellie Jane 8    Daughter
Treson?? 5    
John Archibald    2 b Eglwysilan
Jacob Winiker 54    Boarder b Germany coal miner
Piece 5000 Folio 47 Page 42
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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 10 June 23 01:02 BST (UK) »
1891 entry for same couple has these 2 children.  Both birth registrations show mmn Thomas

John Archibald aged 1
Samuel 1mth

Births Mar 1890 
John Archibald Evans Merthyr T.    11a   671

Deaths Sep 1896 
John Archibald Evans aged 6    Merthyr T.    11a   398

Births Jun 1891   
Samuel Evans      Merthyr T.    11a   707

Deaths Jun 1891 
Samuel Evans 0    Merthyr T.    11a   490
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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 10 June 23 07:18 BST (UK) »
I think the child in 1901 might have been Trevor and he possibly died in 1910.  They had lost 8 children by 1911.

Debra  :)

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« Reply #5 on: Saturday 10 June 23 08:11 BST (UK) »
Sadly just because that's what it says on the certificate doesn't prove that it's true :(
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 10 June 23 11:40 BST (UK) »
Evans & Thomas are very common surnames in Wales.  If you wanted further proof of his parentage you would have to buy a copy of his birth cert
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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 August 23 14:10 BST (UK) »
Quote from: Deirdre784 on Saturday 10 June 23 08:11 BST (UK)
Sadly just because that's what it says on the certificate doesn't prove that it's true :(

Why would anyone lie back then about an adoption, etc. Are you saying he could have been adopted?

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Re: Maiden name of mother (HELP)
« Reply #8 on: Friday 25 August 23 14:21 BST (UK) »
Quote from: CaroleW on Saturday 10 June 23 11:40 BST (UK)
Evans & Thomas are very common surnames in Wales.  If you wanted further proof of his parentage you would have to buy a copy of his birth cert

Where can I find the name of the informant on the birth certificate?
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