1950 Detroit marriage of Patrick Corbett and Lucienne Fenner

[kob3203]

I was hoping to find this in FamilySearch Michigan Marriages, 1822-1995 (Name Index) https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1675359 as that collection seems to include names of both parents of both parties.

But no such luck.

I'm fairly certain that this is the Patrick born Ireland 1897 to parents Michael Corbett and Bridget Sweeney.

If anybody can confirm this it would be much appreciated

[RJ137]

Some background-

Looks like Lucienne had been previously married a couple of times. Big age difference between them (20yrs).

They are married in the 1950 census, it was taken April 1950.

1950 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6FSP-VZK3


Lucienne Social Security: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6KQK-82NM
FS Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LTYK-L9Z

Patrick Naturalization: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Z4VG-RR2M
FS Tree: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GQ9G-3J1

[kob3203]

Thanks - I put all of that up on FamilySearch 

We know Patrick came to the US in 1926 on SS Orduna joining his uncle in Detroit, and that he died in a car accident in Detroit in 1960. From one of his obituaries we know his wife was Lou. Along with the 1950 census (Detroit) that makes us fairly sure that the 1950 marriage to Lucienne Saumur/Fisk/Fenner (Detroit) is him.

But I'm specifically after confirmation that we've got the correct marriage.

[shellyesq]

The transcription of the marriage record has the following:

Patrick Corbett, age 52, b. Ireland, married 27 May 1950 at Holy Redeemer, Detroit, father Michael Corbett, mother Bridget McSweeney

spouse Lucienne S. Fenner, age 37, b. Canada, father Augustin Saumer, mother Delia Gascon.

[kob3203]

Thank you. Apart from the date (I was expecting April 1950 or earlier) and the Mc appended to Sweeney that fits our Patrick.

The 1950 census (with Patrick and Lucienne married) has 4-20 written as Date Sheet Started, so I assume 20th April. That's a month before the marriage, but I guess they said they were married ?

Is it possible that Patrick (slightly) misremembered his mother's maiden name ?

On Google maps the Most Holy Redeemer RC church is on the corner of Vernor Hwy and Junction Ave, just two streets away from Ferdinand St.

Assumng 1950s Ferdinand Ave is now Ferdinand St, and 1950s Holy Redeemer is now Most Holy Redeemer, that would be their local church.

I'm now probably 99% confident this is our marriage, but I think the discrepancies need to be noted.

[oldohiohome]

1. I would not at all be surprised if two people living together in 1950 said they were married.
Along the same lines, divorced or separated people might say they were widowed. It was less of a "disgrace."

2. For Sweeney vs McSweeney, Google "forced anglicization of irish names." Your family in Ireland may have restored the "Mc" soon after Patrick's birth, as there was an Irish revival underway.
 My great grandfather's family is on the records as Rourke but his son, my grandfather, called himself O'Rourke as soon as he got on the boat for America in 1899. His brother and sister in Ireland also went by O'Rourke later on.

There were probably half a dozen spellings of Saumur along the line as well, if you have trouble finding her. I'd expect Saumier for one. Maybe you have seen that one-I haven't been following this thread closely.

[kob3203]

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[kob3203]

The transcription of the marriage record has the following:

Patrick Corbett, age 52, b. Ireland, married 27 May 1950 at Holy Redeemer, Detroit, father Michael Corbett, mother Bridget McSweeney

spouse Lucienne S. Fenner, age 37, b. Canada, father Augustin Saumer, mother Delia Gascon.

One query - was that transcription on Ancestry.com ?

[shellyesq]

Yes