Abraham Collins 1769/ Ann Holt 1767

[garstonite]

Liverpool is going to be 29 deg later - so a bit hot to be going out - so - staying in and doing a little research ..
I have been to St Werbughs TWO churches in Dunham Massey to see my 2 Abraham Collins graves - both headstone in tact - in the far older churchyard - thanks to the old volunteer gardener who took me straight to them
I know Ann was born 1767 - Abraham I don't know the exact year - my 5 x G Grandparents
2 children I know of
Esther Collins 1792
Abraham Collins 1796 - direct ancestor 4 x G Grandfather
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would it be possible for anyone with time on their hands to see if there were any more children - and if we can find the parents of Abraham Collins and Ann Holt please ??...a big task I know - but any help would be appreciated - thanks for reading
Allan

[BumbleB]

I'm assuming you already have the marriage information (image on FindMyPast).

14 September 1789 - Warburton

Both parties said to be "of this parish" - Abraham signed and Ann made her mark.

[garstonite]

Thanks Bumble - - Ann was born Dunham on the Hill - is that now Dunham Massey ?...and if Esther was b 1792 - do you think she was the first born ?  or might there have been a child 1789-90-91 ??
Warburton and Dunham MASSEY ARE LESS THAN 2 MILES APART - but I wonder why they never married in St Werburghs in Dunham MASSEY ??

[BumbleB]

I just looked at Genuki - https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/CHS/Warburton

You can also check on Dunham Massey and Dunham on the Hill via this Genuki - Cheshire - site.  It's a wonderful resource.

[garstonite]

Found this if it helps
John Holt b 1756 Dunham on the Hill
parents Charles Holt - b 15th March 1722 Bowden ,Cheshire - 3 miles from Dunham
Elizabeth Kershaw - b 1725 Rochdale ,Lancs
could this be a sibling of Ann Holt b 1767 ??
out of 193 records for Holt  - I can only find TWO born Dunham on the Hill in that period ?

I might be clutching at straws - but looks a possible ??
added
Baptism: 8 May 1725 St Chad, Rochdale, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Kershaw - Daughter of Robert Kershaw & Ann, his wife
    Abode: Buirsell
    Occupation: Clothmaker

[emeltom]

Abraham and Ann had a child baptised in Warburton 21 February 1790 but the page is marked and name/sex cannot be read.

Dunham Massey and Dunham on the Hill are two separate places some distance apart. Dunham Massey is 3 miles or so from Altrincham whilst Dunham on the Hill is 5 miles from Frodsham.

[garstonite]

Big thanks Emeltom - believe it or not - I can see Frodsham Hill from where I live ( official name Overton Hill ) - so - just checked - Dunham Hill to Garston is 19 miles - so didn't travel too far ?...I presume the family came here for work

[BumbleB]

Warburton 1790 baptism - it would appear that Abraham's father is also Abraham as the entry says that the child's father is Abraham JUNIOR.

[garstonite]

this is great - thank you both
also found this
Bettey Collins
Sex   Female
Father's Name   Abraham Collins
Mother's Name   Ann
Event Type   Christening
Event Date   09 Feb 1794
Event Place   , Warburton, Cheshire, England
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 so that is TWO siblings thanks to your help ...getting somewhere 
added
actually I am a bit worried - 1790 Abraham Collins - do we think he died