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Re: Can anyone please help me extend my Irish tree?
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 17 June 23 21:17 BST (UK) »
Thank you! I assume that you are referring to the certificates available through the GRO. I never bothered with James and Mary because I thought I had an original. I will order them and post my findings. Live and learn!!!
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« Reply #19 on: Saturday 17 June 23 22:48 BST (UK) »

Wexflyer, I don't know what Thomas Sullivan and John Walsh did for a living.


But you have specific details of the marriage of James Sullivan and Mary Walsh, in 1887.
The civil registration for that marriage should have not just their father's names, but also their occupations. Did you not obtain a copy of the registration?

Similarly, a the registration of any of Thomas Sullivan's children born in England will have his wife's name.

1871 785 /7/7
Thomas Sullivan (father of James) is a Labourer (Builders)

1881 747 /104/4
Thomas Sullivan is a General Labourer
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« Reply #20 on: Saturday 17 June 23 22:52 BST (UK) »
“Heywood, I know a lot about Minnie (Mary) and James's family. I can't now find the reference that provided Ann as a name for his mother. She was known to be living with James in Woolwich, and dependent on him at the time of his death. Source - The Kentish Independent 05-02-1904, I quote: "To his Worship the Mayor of Woolwich.”

If Thomas and Ann are your family, then Thomas is a widower in the 1881 census.

As I wrote before, Sarah, Minnie’s mother is living with them in one census so perhaps the reference to aged mother means mother in law  ???

1901 564 /79/7
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday 29 June 23 16:43 BST (UK) »
Thank you! I assume that you are referring to the certificates available through the GRO. I never bothered with James and Mary because I thought I had an original. I will order them and post my findings. Live and learn!!!

The full Marriage certificate has arrived but sadly has not given me any further information.
His mother's name Anne, ame from the 1871 Census.
I shall keep looking.
Thank you one and all for your suggestions.
Massey (London, Woking, Teignmouth), Massie (Banff, Aberdeen - Scotland) Sullivan, O'Sullivan (Kanturk Ireland, London, Woolwich) Mactaggart (Montrose, Angus, Scotland, Singapore), Thornhill (Surrey), Lyall, Walsh, Linehan, Holland, Langton, Armstrong.


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« Reply #22 on: Thursday 29 June 23 17:45 BST (UK) »
That’s good. We have the right family in 1871 by the looks of the marriage certificate as in
1881 747 /104/4 there is this family

Thomas Sullivan wid. 66 yrs b Ireland
James 23 yrs b Ireland
Thomas 20 yrs b Woolwich
Patrick 17 yrs b Woolwich

They are living at Peakes Place which is the address on the certificate.
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday 29 June 23 17:52 BST (UK) »
I posted this earlier in the thread

Yes, they would.

Possibly Hennighan - (with variation) but I can only see Patrick in 1864 - if that is correct.

There is a marriage
10th June 1849 Muintervarra, Cork
Tom Sullivan and Anne Hennigan

A birth
25th October 1857, Bantry
James Sullivan with parents Thomas Sullivan and Anne Hennigan.

I was going to wait for Guy to respond, as I think he may have looked at that family already with the Woolwich connection.
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Re: Can anyone please help me extend my Irish tree?
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 29 June 23 20:49 BST (UK) »
What do you think, Guy?



Possibly Hennighan - (with variation) but I can only see Patrick in 1864 - if that is correct.

There is a marriage
10th June 1849 Muintervarra, Cork
Tom Sullivan and Anne Hennigan

A birth
25th October 1857, Bantry
James Sullivan with parents Thomas Sullivan and Anne Hennigan.


Marriage - 10th July (not June 1849) Muintervarra
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634869#page/44/mode/1up

Birth - James - 25th October 1857 Bantry
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632488#page/207/mode/1up

Birth - Jeremiah - 13th September 1849 - Muintervarra
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634870#page/208/mode/1up
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Re: Can anyone please help me extend my Irish tree?
« Reply #25 on: Friday 30 June 23 13:53 BST (UK) »
Thank you for these possibilities, though I'm not sure how to prove that it is the same family. James's actual birth year is two years later, I only estimated it from the Woolwich Census. I would doubt that those would all give a DOB as 1859.
I also cannot make out the name Jeremiah on the 1849 birth, though I can see the word Barry!
This is really a tough nut to crack, records seem to be very sparse.
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« Reply #26 on: Friday 30 June 23 14:21 BST (UK) »
Jeremiah - the entry on the left page immediately below ‘September 1849

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634870#page/208/mode/1up

Contraction of the name To Jerh. (Small h).
Parents Tom Sullivan and Nancy Hennigan with sponsors Danl Menihan and Nancy Barry.

The townland is possible ‘Cluainees’ which may be https://www.townlands.ie/cork/west-carbery-west-division/durrus/durrus-east/cloonee/

I don’t know how you would prove it either but you have births with the same named parents and the family names in censuses.

You have James aged 13 yrs in April 1871 and 23 yrs in 1881
Where do you have this record -
James's actual birth year is two years later,
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