Henry Saunders 1824-1915

[artifis]

In the 1851 to 1911 censuses Henry consistently states that he was born at Herstmonceaux but I can't find a baptism for him there on any of the various web sites including SFHG. In case he was mistaken and perhaps his parents moved there when he was a toddler and the only place he remembered I've checked all the nearby parishes to no avail.

When he married Jane Marchant in 1848 he gave his age as 24 giving a birth year of 1824 and father as James Saunders. His burial record for 04 March 1915 at Netherfield gave his age as 92 which gave a birth year of c 1823.

I'm also finding it difficult to track down his father James.  I have found  a few possibilities including one who had two children baptised at Herstmonceaux in 1828 & 1831 but I don't want to muddy the waters with any of the possibilities until I can find Henry's baptism.

I would really like to find his baptism and would appreciate any help.

[trish1120]

Have you ruled out this 1841 Census:

Rocks, Herst Monceaux
James Gaunce 60 Ag Lab
Mary Saunders 50
Henry Saunders   15 Ag Lab *****
James Saunders 12 Ag Lab
Thomas Saunders 10

Image for James is SAUNDERS

Burial;
16 Aug 1865, All Saints, Herstmonceaux
JAMES Saunders age 92
Abode The Rock

1851 born c 1778 Waldron, Sussex
1861 c 1776 Heathfield, Sussex

[emeltom]

I haven't been able to find a baptism for Henry however in the 1841 Census he is in Herstmonceux with parents James and Mary and brothers James and Thomas. There are non conformist baptism at the Herstmonceux Independent Chapel for both James (1828) and Thomas (1831)

In 1841 the address given is the Rock. This is the same place given as the abode for the burials of James 16 August 1865 and Mary 23 June 1872

James Saunders Sep 1865 Hailsham 2b 41 age 92 (yob 1773)

Mary Saunders Jun 1872 Hailsham 2b 42 age 78 (yob 1794)

[trish1120]

James SUNDERS, Widower married Mary TAPP 11 Jun 1821 Brighton, Sussex

[trish1120]

Mary TAPP bapt 20 Mar 1791, St Thomas a Becket , Framfield to CHARLES/SARAH
(FreeREG)
Children bapt 1783- 1797 for them

Charles buried 24 May 1836 age 91

[osprey]

non-conformist baptisms at Herstmonceux Independent
9 Aug 1828 James son of James Saunders, labourer, and Mary
1 April 1831 Thomas son of James Saunders, labourer, & Mary
No sign of Henry in the register, I've looked back through the images.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herstmonceux_Free_Church

[artifis]

Thanks everyone.

It looks like either Henry wasn't baptised or else for some reason his name was missed off the records.  I'll go with his birth year as 1824 as implied in his marriage record as being 24 years old.

The info on James is what I'd pencilled in but as I hadn't found Mary Tapp's baptism I was wary that the wedding took place at St Nicholas in Brighton which seemed some way away from James' haunts.  Her baptism at Framfield brings her back into the equation nicely so I'll go with That James and Mary Tapp. I wonder why St Nicholas - was there a 'marriage market' there for would be couples?   

I think I may have found James' first marriage, to Frances Gander on 21 July 1817 at Herstmonceaux. Looking for a burial for her I found one on 01 October 1819 at Ringmer aged 51 meaning she'd be c49 at marriage, James' age 44 - 41 - 39 - 36 depending on age at burial and the 1841, 51 & 61 censuses receptively. Somewhat confusing!   If this is the right first wife it would explain why no children. Any thoughts?

[rosie99]

I think I may have found James' first marriage, to Frances Gander on 21 July 1817 at Herstmonceaux. Looking for a burial for her I found one on 01 October 1819 at Ringmer aged 51 meaning she'd be c49 at marriage, James' age 44 - 41 - 39 - 36 depending on age at burial and the 1841, 51 & 61 censuses receptively. Somewhat confusing!   If this is the right first wife it would explain why no children. Any thoughts?

James and 'Fanny' are possibly in Heathfield in 1841
H0107/1108 bk3 f56 p16

[artifis]

First wife Frances was buried in 1819 and James married second wife Mary Tapp in 1821.