Lathams of Staffordshire 1800's

[trish1120]

Sorry for duplications also

[trish1120]

1891 Census has a Daug Rosa Anna, but she was bapt 08 Apr 1890 to MARY ANN Latham
(FreeREG)

[ASmithy]

Thank you Trish for sending me that link. I have never used that or been recommended that before. It will be something I use from now on.

Hi Cindy, I am not sure where Dean is if I am honest. I live in Staffordshire, Litchfield so unless it is a very small area somewhere then I don't believe it even exists. Unless it was a small village that has had its name changed?
I guess you are right, the question might have confused him and given his current location rather than birth.
Good detective work on his second marriage. I never had that. So the witnesses to that marriage, match his baptism record for Thomas and Eliza because the witnesses were his siblings? (If I am understanding that correctly)?
Thank you for his death record too!

Trish, you mentioned that an Emma was in the 1881 Census? As far as I can see I can only see that he has his 2nd wife, along with Lizzie, Mary Ann, Albert, and George along with Eliza's other children; William, Thomas, and Joseph Mitchell. I must admit though, I recently lost my Ancestry subscription so relying only on FamilySearch at the moment, so unable to see any images currently. Did FamilySearch miss out Emma as I feel it would give a hard connection between the 1851, 1861 William Latham to the 1881 and 1891 Census?

I just realized, I don't even have his 1871 Census!

I just found his 1871 Census; William Latham, Living with an older man called William Downing? He is also living with his wife, Eliza....EMMA.. Joseph Mitchell, Alice Mitchell, Thomas Mitchell, Eliza Latham, Mary Ann Latham. William gives his birth place as Tatenhill, Staffordshire.

I mean that alone should have helped me place two and two together. So sorry to ask for help from you both!

Is it possible to find his 1841 Census at all? I seem to be struggling with locating that, I would imagine, that he is living with his parents, given he married in 1844? Id love to try and find his mothers maiden name and his grandparents on his maternal and paternal side if possible.

Again so sorry to ask and Thank you for helping me

[ASmithy]

1891 Census has a Daug Rosa Anna, but she was bapt 08 Apr 1890 to MARY ANN Latham
(FreeREG)

Oh, that's interesting! so Rosa was actually Mary Ann's child and not William's?

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
The 1841 census doesn't give his parents unfortunately
He is at Horninglow B on T
Richard Tunley 60 farmer y
Ellen 65 y
Richard 25
William Dunn25 ag lab y
William Latham 15 ag lab y
Mary Deakin 15 Female servant y

His parents married 1810 at Ticknall Derbyshire Thomas Latham and Elizabeth Ashmore. 22.10.1810 wit Luke Hood and Jane Meadows.

Thomas Latham bapt 4 Jan 1789 at Tatenhill to Luke and Ann Latham
burial 10.10.1826 age 39 years
Luke buried  1750-20.7.1817 and Ann 1751-29.5.1813
possible baptism at Hammerwich Luke s of William 1.10.1751 but obviously a bit of a distance between the 2 parishes.

They married at St Modwen B on t 12.10.1772
Luke of Tatenhill and Ann Hood of this parish
Not seeing anything for Ann Hood.
Children Ann 4.3.1774,William 12.5.1776 ,Luke 19.5.1778,Hannah buried 29.3.1781 ,John 30.11.1783 ,Joseph 25.3.1786 and your Thomas 4.1. 1789 .,then James 1.1.1792.

Not much  luck with the Ashmore's either.
Elizabeth Latham nee Ashmore married Michael Askew 14.4.1828 at Tatenhill afterThomas's death 1826
Michael must have died 1834-39 as she remarried there 5.3.1839
John Hicklin full widower lab Tatenhill Samuel lab
Elizabeth Askew widow full Tatenhill common Thomas Ashmore labourer
wit Elizabeth young and Joseph Shipley


1861 Tatenhill Common
John Hicklin 63 ag lab Yoxall
Elizabeth 73 Calke Derbyshire
1851 same address next door to Joseph Latham 63 and his son Joseph 35
John Hicklin 55 farm lab YoxaLL
Elizabeth 58 Ticknall

1841 Tatenhill lane
John Hickling 50 ag lab y
Elizabeth 50 No
Joseph 12
Elizabeth 6

She probably died June qtr 1869 as Elizabeth  Hickling  age 83 but I'm not sure.

Children with Michael Askew labourer
Robert 18.4.1830
john 17.4.1832 -17 Dec 1834
Elizabeth 29.3.1834

I'll see what else I can spot

Ciderdrinker

[ASmithy]

Good Morning
Lets see if we can help.
It is odd that he gives his birthplace as two different places but it does depend usually how close he is living to his birthplace.Somewhere born in Wallasey living in London might say he was from Liverpool  but if he was in Liverpool may say Wallasey or Birkenhead. So is Dean a little hamlet near Burton?
Giving the same place as he is living asa birth place is just down to how the question is asked and how accurate the Enumerator was.

It does look like the same man with  mostly the same children on the 2 censuses 1851 and 1861.

His marriage at Christ Church Burntwood in 1867 does say he is a widower so no problem with a first marriage.
His first marriage at Marston on dove 7th Oct 1844 is lacking parents for both .Eliza Gould the bride over 21 of that parish and William age 19 lab from Burton on Trent.
Crucially he signs his name with a cross as on the second marriage.Witnesses James and Sarah Latham.

A Baptism for William s of Thomas and Elizabeth Latham lab 30 Jan 1825 at Tatenhill St Micheal fits nicely.
siblings James 2.6.1811,Sarah 11.4.1813,An 20.8.1815,Thomas 20.9.1818,Jane 18.5.1820.
So a James and Sarah there for the first wedding certificate.
It looks like Eliza died Mar qtr 1860 Burton on Trent.Age 39 years.
With first wife his children where -Jane Dec 1846,Margaret Mar 1848,Ann Dec 1850,Emma Sep 1853.

William was buried at Christ Church 27th April 1902 age 77
I was typing while there were other replies so sorry for duplications

ps marriage for parents 22.10.1810 Thomas Latham and Elizabeth Ashmore  Tickenhall,Derbyshire

Ciderdrinker

Thanks for this Cider,
I just noticed that you mentioned Ashmore as the maiden name of Elizabeth and that they married in 1810 in Tickenhall, Derbyshire.

May you help me understand how you found this out, please? I would have loved to take your thoughts on how you worked it out, so I can implement that research into other areas of my family tree.

[ASmithy]

Wow, such a lot of information that I didn't have!

I'll take a bit of time looking through this new information you have given me.

Thank you for pushing past that block of mine.

Regards

Hi
The 1841 census doesn't give his parents unfortunately
He is at Horninglow B on T
Richard Tunley 60 farmer y
Ellen 65 y
Richard 25
William Dunn25 ag lab y
William Latham 15 ag lab y
Mary Deakin 15 Female servant y

His parents married 1810 at Ticknall Derbyshire Thomas Latham and Elizabeth Ashmore. 22.10.1810 wit Luke Hood and Jane Meadows.

Thomas Latham bapt 4 Jan 1789 at Tatenhill to Luke and Ann Latham
burial 10.10.1826 age 39 years
Luke buried  1750-20.7.1817 and Ann 1751-29.5.1813
possible baptism at Hammerwich Luke s of William 1.10.1751 but obviously a bit of a distance between the 2 parishes.

They married at St Modwen B on t 12.10.1772
Luke of Tatenhill and Ann Hood of this parish
Not seeing anything for Ann Hood.
Children Ann 4.3.1774,William 12.5.1776 ,Luke 19.5.1778,Hannah buried 29.3.1781 ,John 30.11.1783 ,Joseph 25.3.1786 and your Thomas 4.1. 1789 .,then James 1.1.1792.

Not much  luck with the Ashmore's either.
Elizabeth Latham nee Ashmore married Michael Askew 14.4.1828 at Tatenhill afterThomas's death 1826
Michael must have died 1834-39 as she remarried there 5.3.1839
John Hicklin full widower lab Tatenhill Samuel lab
Elizabeth Askew widow full Tatenhill common Thomas Ashmore labourer
wit Elizabeth young and Joseph Shipley


1861 Tatenhill Common
John Hicklin 63 ag lab Yoxall
Elizabeth 73 Calke Derbyshire
1851 same address next door to Joseph Latham 63 and his son Joseph 35
John Hicklin 55 farm lab YoxaLL
Elizabeth 58 Ticknall

1841 Tatenhill lane
John Hickling 50 ag lab y
Elizabeth 50 No
Joseph 12
Elizabeth 6

She probably died June qtr 1869 as Elizabeth  Hickling  age 83 but I'm not sure.

Children with Michael Askew labourer
Robert 18.4.1830
john 17.4.1832 -17 Dec 1834
Elizabeth 29.3.1834

I'll see what else I can spot

Ciderdrinker

[trish1120]

Yes Rosa was Mary Anns daughter.

As Elizabeth was 56 in 1891 she would be pushing it to have Rosa (thats why I looked for a bapt for her)

There is no need to quote everything we post as it just takes up space on Rootschat.

Just ask the question you need answered

[trish1120]

Ooops just realised i said Emma was on the 1881 Census, I should have put 1871.
Emma was married by the 1881 Census.

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