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Offline KitHannay

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Born at Penn Station...?
« on: Monday 19 June 23 18:39 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I'm looking into a man named James Elwood, born about 1867 in Pennsylvania to a Patrick Elwood and Margaret Rowan.

Patrick and Margaret (and their first child John) emigrated to the US from Chesterfield, England in 1865. Their son James was born in about 1867 and then the whole family seems to have moved back to England. Patrick came back to the US for good in late 1868. Their daughter was born in England in early 1869, and then Margaret and her three kids joined Patrick in America again a few months later. This was weird, I thought, all the back and forth and any insights would be appreciated. (Patrick was a miner)

But what I'm really interested in is a death cert for James' son in 1931 in which James' birth location is recorded as 'Penn Sta, Penn.' I assume this means Penn station - but does this mean he was born in the train station or what do we think? I read that the station we know today was only built in the early 1900s, and James was born in 1867....

Any insights appreciated!
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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 19 June 23 18:55 BST (UK) »
I can’t help with your query but thought you might want this information for your records in case you haven’t got it.

1851 2179 /192/6

Margaret Elwood 36 yrs Hawker - husband in America b Ireland
Mary Elwood 12 yrs b Liverpool
Martin Elwood 7 yrs b Liverpool

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Is this a different family?
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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:06 BST (UK) »
Apologies
I have found, I think, your family in 1861 as Helwood.
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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:15 BST (UK) »

This may be of interest if you haven't come across it so far.  Pittsburgh Man is drowning victom at Willow Beach.

The Daily Republican
Monongahela, Pennsylvania 
Fri, 17 Jul 1931 Page 4

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-daily-republican/126737498/

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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:21 BST (UK) »
Could it have meant to be Penn St., Penn rather than Penn Sta, Penn  :-\

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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:24 BST (UK) »
heywood, what made you discount the 1851 census.?

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:32 BST (UK) »
I had found them in 1861 Piece 1850 /9/11
plus the relevant family at 1861 2527 /77/28


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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:35 BST (UK) »
Maybe it means Pennsylvania State University which is usually referred to as simply "Penn State."  The university is in Centre County, Pennsylvania.
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Re: Born at Penn Station...?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 June 23 19:37 BST (UK) »
Ok heywood,. for info only, other children born

Mary Ellwood sq 1859 mmn Ruane
John Ellwell mq 1861 mmn Ruane
Martin Elwood sg 1863 mmn Rowan
Michael Ellwood dq 1864 mmn Rouan
Ann Ellwod jq 1869 mmn Rowane

All born Chesterfield

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