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Offline gtoal

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Marriage certificate and death certificate are in the gallery: https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/170696323/person/132216653313/gallery?galleryPage=1 - no new information in the death certificate that I can see.
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 18:56 BST (UK) »
I posted the marriage information earlier from your tree.
The links you are posting only give access to those who have subscriptions.

Do you have them in the 1921 census? That might help with Thomas’ birthplace.

There is a Thomas Graham, 28 yrs in Musselburgh in the indexes who may be worth checking.
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 20:25 BST (UK) »
The entry in Musselburgh is the right one, heywood  :)

Thomas was working as butler to the Duke of Atholl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart-Murray,_8th_Duke_of_Atholl

He showed as married with no children. Birth place given as Essex London.

Came across this birth entry at the St Pancras Workhouse:

Thomas Harris
Birth 2 Feb 1891
Birth Poor Law Union    St Pancras Camden, England
Birth Place    St Pancras, Camden, England
Mother Louisa Harris
Parish Register

Monica
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 20:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks Monica  :)
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 20:33 BST (UK) »
He is pretty consistent with his age, his service record from November 1916 states that he was 24 years 5 months.

It occurs to me that an earlier birthdate of June 1892 puts this guy back in the contenders, who had been my original assumption for the biological father except that that the original 1897 belief had eliminated him, as he died in 1895...

   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Colin_Campbell

The photo is from 1890 so quite representative of the time in question.
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 20:45 BST (UK) »
The entry in Musselburgh is the right one, heywood  :)

Thomas was working as butler to the Duke of Atholl https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stewart-Murray,_8th_Duke_of_Atholl

He showed as married with no children. Birth place given as Essex London.

Came across this birth entry at the St Pancras Workhouse:

Thomas Harris
Birth 2 Feb 1891
Birth Poor Law Union    St Pancras Camden, England
Birth Place    St Pancras, Camden, England
Mother Louisa Harris
Parish Register

Monica

That's amazing! That certainly fits!  (and would you believe that by coincidence I lived less than a mile from St Pancras when I worked in London.)

Perhaps later she married a Thomas Graham who kept the boy as his own?  I'm afraid not a word about my grandfather's youth was ever passed on to me so I don't know if he was brought up in a family or in an orphanage.  And there's no-one left alive that I know of who would know.  I was the only one to be told the little I've already related - it was news to my cousins when I asked them about it.

heywood: apologies, I didn't realise all our info on ancestry was behind their pay wall :-(
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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 20:50 BST (UK) »
With a birth date in February 1891, this Thomas should show on the 1891 census (checking both Harris or Graham). This was taken on 5 April. Can't see an entry for him though  :-\

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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 21:10 BST (UK) »
Came across this birth entry at the St Pancras Workhouse:

Thomas Harris
Birth 2 Feb 1891
Birth Poor Law Union    St Pancras Camden, England
Birth Place    St Pancras, Camden, England
Mother Louisa Harris

Religious creed register
Admitted 2 Feb 1891
Louisa Harris
Born 1855
Admitted from an address in Kings Cross Road
Seems to say she was married
Two images
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3N2-TFVG

Thomas Harris, born of Louisa, is down the page.
They were discharged 16.2.91

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Re: Thomas Graham, Graham orphanage London? Illegitimate son of Colin Campbell? 1897
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 20 June 23 21:11 BST (UK) »
My grandmother did meet grandad's mother, but I never found out her name at the time, though subsequent research might suggest a Louisa Ann Harris from Wales

Did your grandmother remain in Scotland ? It’s a long shot but was grandad’s mother living in Scotland too?
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