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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 22 June 23 11:11 BST (UK) »
Just want to throw this into the mix.

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Births Sep 1879   
SPENCER    Annie Beardsley        Belper    7b   530

Cannot find on GRO

Baptism, 20th November 1879 Belper, Mother Mary Elizabeth Spencer- single woman

1939 reg records dob 29th June 1879  --would fit with sq registration.

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I think that's the one! Thank you!

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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 22 June 23 12:06 BST (UK) »
Do you have Annies death details and her probate record, details of Daughter Mary Lucy, who she married, children and death

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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 22 June 23 13:38 BST (UK) »
Is this her in 1891?

1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68   Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71   Wife
George Beardsley 36   Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer   11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19   Servant
Henry Linley 19   Servant
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Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 22 June 23 13:44 BST (UK) »
1881 Census
Belper Dally, Duffield
Phillip Spencer 69 Head FWK born Belper
Eliza Spencer 71 Wife born Jersey, Channel Islands
Mary C. Spencer 19 Granddaughter born Stanley
Anne B. Spencer 1 Granddaughter no pob

Mary C may be Mary E as hard to make out and Anne B her Daug and their Great Grandchild
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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 22 June 23 14:11 BST (UK) »
IF I am right Mary married March 1891 Reg Basford to George Henry MORRALL under the name Mary BEARDSLEY

1891/1901/1911 she is born c 1864 Shottle
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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 22 June 23 16:27 BST (UK) »
Is this her in 1891?

1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68   Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71   Wife
George Beardsley 36   Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer   11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19   Servant
Henry Linley 19   Servant

Hi Trish1120, my taking on that census is that Annie is the daughter of George Beardsley. In brackets it says occupation farmers assistant "son", Annie Spencer farmers assistant "grand daughter".

George Beardsley baptised 15.3.1857, born 6.10.1856, son of Mary Anne & William of Handley Shottle

He appears in 1939 with same dob and dies 1944, leaving a probate record.

George went on to marry a Hannah Sims 22nd March 1899.  Hannah Beardsley died 18.12.1918. left a probate record mentioning husband George. No children according to 1911 census to George and Hannah

1891/1911/1921 records Georges birthplace as Shottle

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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 22 June 23 16:42 BST (UK) »
Just adding that in 1901 census Thomas H Sleath, Annie Sleath and Mary L(Lucy) Sleath are living next door to George H Morral and Mary Morral (Mary died aged 74 in 1938)

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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 22 June 23 16:51 BST (UK) »
Is this her in 1891?

1891 Census
Lodge Farm, Shipley Wharf
William Beardsley 68   Head Mar Farmer
Mary A Beardsley 71   Wife
George Beardsley 36   Son Unm
ANNIE Spencer   11 Granddaughter born Belper******
Joseph Grundy 62 Servant
Ernest Tym 19   Servant
Henry Linley 19   Servant

Hi Trish1120, my taking on that census is that Annie is the daughter of George Beardsley. In brackets it says occupation farmers assistant "son", Annie Spencer farmers assistant "grand daughter".

George Beardsley baptised 15.3.1857, born 6.10.1856, son of Mary Anne & William of Handley Shottle

He appears in 1939 with same dob and dies 1944, leaving a probate record.

George went on to marry a Hannah Sims 22nd March 1899.  Hannah Beardsley died 18.12.1918. left a probate record mentioning husband George. No children according to 1911 census to George and Hannah

1891/1911/1921 records Georges birthplace as Shottle

John

This is my conclusion too - Annie was the illegitimate daughter of George Beardsley and Mary Elizabeth Spencer  - Mary Elizabeth Spencer being the daughter of William[typo] John, son of Philip and Eliza who she is with on the 1881 census and correctly described as their g-daur (Annie being their great-g-daur). Mary Morrel was George's brother, living together in 1921, so the family was close.
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Re: Marriage lookup Ilkeston/Cotmanhay/Shipley
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 22 June 23 18:44 BST (UK) »
What evidence have you found that Mary Elizabeth Spencer c 1864 is the daughter of William Spencer son of Philip. William married Emma Shipley in 1867

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