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Riddle of Robert Liddle
« on: Friday 23 June 23 16:15 BST (UK) »
Hi

Looking for any information on a man called Robert Liddle.

I think he was born as Robert 'Little' Mawson on the 2nd September 1883 (I don't have birth certificate, detail from registrars).
I can find him, as Robert Liddle, on the 1901 census, living in 36 Malings Rigg, with his mother (I'm guessing), Mary Mawson, born c1833 and widowed, a Job Mawson, born 1871, and, Bertie Liddle, born c1882 - all the children are listed as 'sons' and Job is married.

There is a British Army Service Record (DLI) dated 19th February 1899, for a Robert Liddle, who gives his address as 36 Malings Rigg.
The signature on it matches almost perfectly to his signature in 1910, where he stood as a witness at the marriage of John Thomas McKenna and Ann Wilson Kelly.
Ann's address was given as 31 Malings Rigg.
The following year, the census finds him boarding with Ann's parents, Charles Kelly and his wife, Jane (nee Simmons) in 31 Malings Rigg.

I have also found a British Merchant Seaman Record (1918) for a Robert Liddle - date of birth given as 6th September 1883.

By 1939 he was widowed and with his brother, Bertie (date of birth from the 1939 register as 6th December 1881), Robert's date of birth was given as 5th September 1883.

However, I can't trace, Mary Mawson, Job or Bertie and Robert Liddle prior to 1901, although I think I may have found Bertie's baptism as Conartunate Bert Mawson, born 1881 and baptised 30th May 1889, father Joanes Mawson.
Robert, I believe, was baptised the same day as Conartunate Robertus Little Mawson.

But no sign on any census?

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #1 on: Friday 23 June 23 16:39 BST (UK) »
Found them in 1891 - still in 36 Malings Rigg - listed as Marsden.

Job's mother's maiden name appears as 'Gater'

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #2 on: Friday 23 June 23 16:43 BST (UK) »
And as 'Morrison' in 1881!!

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #3 on: Friday 23 June 23 16:52 BST (UK) »
In 1871, Mary is with her husband, George Mawson, and children in Bishop Wearmouth.

Queenie  :)
Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset


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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #4 on: Friday 23 June 23 17:00 BST (UK) »
Yes, typically, I finding them now!

However, cannot find a marriage, according to children's birth registrations their mother's maiden name is 'Gater'/'Gaiter' or something similar!

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #5 on: Friday 23 June 23 17:43 BST (UK) »
If 1871 census is correct

MAWSON, JOHN  GEORGE AARON    MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 483

Working backwards to 1851 census ref Piece 4997 Folio 17 Page number 27

MAWSON, MARY  ISABELLA     MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1845  J Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION  Volume 24  Page 280

MAWSON, FRANCES  ELIZABETH     MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in SUNDERLAND UNION  Volume 24  Page 316


Marriages Mar 1841   
MAWSON    George        Sunderland    24   204    
MITCHELL    Mary Ann        Sunderland    24   204    

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #6 on: Friday 23 June 23 17:51 BST (UK) »
Just questioning Mary's age for having children post 1871 when she would have been approx 50.

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #7 on: Friday 23 June 23 17:53 BST (UK) »
Mary's age is given between 1833 and 1843 abd George was born c1833 - they couldn't have married in 1841

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Re: Riddle of Robert Liddle
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 June 23 17:55 BST (UK) »
If 1871 census is correct

MAWSON, JOHN  GEORGE AARON    MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1864  J Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 483

Different family; I was looking at the same one.

Here's the right registration for John, I believe:

MAWSON, JOHN  GEORGE     GATA 
GRO Reference: 1867  D Quarter in SUNDERLAND  Volume 10A  Page 451

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Fidler - West Ilsley, Berkshire
Hamlin/Hamlyn - Long Sutton & Martock, Somerset
Head - Marlborough & Alton Priors, Wiltshire
Minson - Kingstone, Somerset/Symondsbury, Dorset
Owsley - Buckland St Mary, Somerset
Pyke - (West) Weeke/Wick, Pewsey, Wiltshire
Salisbury - Dowlish Wake/West Dowlish, Somerset